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Sorry to be so direct, but did you for sure think your idea through?

You basically offer an investment where the investor receives 100% of the revenue from his share back?
Whats in for you? If you say: double the total amount of money, you personally only get the doubled amount of your 115mio self-investment.
Why even bother taking somebody else's 100 mio as well to double? why not try to have a higher turnover with only your money.
What I mean, in the current form you have absolutely no benefit from additional money. you don't even take a percentage of the win that you make on the external investment.
Sounds like the perfect investment.
And then there is a general rule in Eve. If something sounds to good, its most likely a scam.

Can you elaborate more precisely why you are ready to manage external funds without personal benefit?

I'm also very interested in making an investment.

Please get in touch ASAP.

this is why I retain 51% of the shares, so in order for the share holders shares to increas in value, mine have to increase as well ( yes I am buying shares with my money at same price as investors)

the huge benifit for me is having enough money to have a bigger cycle of orders turning around, so instead of having 20 market orders, I have the money for 40, eccentually doubling my daily market orders, there for making money at a faster rate than what I would without investors.

its kinda like the new update for barges, you dont get more yield, you yield faster.

I am sorry to point out, that I think you are makeing a logical miscalculation at this point!
while yes, you have twice the "flowthrough", you also have to maintain twice the volume to achieve a certain percentuall profit. Thus tata... you are at 2 / 2, which equals 1. the only thing that is not equal is the time it takes you to update orders, thus makeing you either more inefficient in playing the mindnumbing 0.01isk game or takeing you twice the time for said act.
The common logical sense says: 20 orders that sell 1 item per hour at a set margin make the same "per investment profit" as do 40 orders that sell 1 item per hour at the same margin.
double the investment, double the volume but the same margin in the end. logic can be sadening.

Exactly, you invested 51% of the initial, you hold 51% of the shares and you make 51% of the profit.
If you invest 100% of your own money, you hold 100% of the shares and you make 100% of the profit.

It boils down to the exact same number, believe me.

Its not like 10% of a million compared to 100% of a thousand

its 51% of 200mio
or 100% of 102mio

run the numbers: mathematics dont lie.

Ps: banks in RL give an investor a smaller percentage than they make themselfes by investing money. You don't.

all shares are bought.


CaptainHellfire-

banks do give out a smaller percent than I do yes, but they are also 10,000x bigger than what I am currently.

I have an idea and im going to run with it, only time will tell if I am successful at it or if im just making the same money I could of made on my own. either way we all just playing a portion of the game that we find fun!

cheers mate!

The idea of paying out isk once shares reach a specific value, and bumping them back down to 1mil, is a great idea. hi5 on that one!

Lets assume you experience a 0 profit period. If someone cashes out their shares, the value in the corporate wallet will have decreased. How can you justify using share purchases to define share prices, while maintaining that shares will never decrease in value?

On another note, how will you handle cash outs? Will they be whenever, every 2 weeks based on your reports, or will current share prices be good for one month?

This is a good idea, but I really think you should try to define this whole thing as heavily in detail as possible before moving forward. There are too many unknowns for me to invest at this time. I look forward to a much more precise definition of your operations and business plan in the future, to help me decide if I want to invest in you.

Consider creating a website listing every possible scenario and answering all FAQ's. Or, by editing your OP with the above stated information.

.....I think you're missing something.

Well, this answers none of my questions. I guess I'll have to wait for the webpage. Since your full api key no longer works, I am forced to withdraw my interest. Good luck with your business.

sorry, had RL stuff to do, but to answer you questions, even if your still not interested

right now I decided against paying out after shares hit a certain amount per share. as I think it will be best to wait till my corp is big enough in value to establish something like this.

for your first question. if someone cashes out and sells their shares back to me, causing the corp wallet to decrease. The other investors shares don't decrease as well cause if you divide the remaining shares by the shares still owned, the value is still the same.

example. 1,000 shares at 1 mill, corp value 1 bill.
if said investor cashes out 300 shares for 300 mill, that leaves 700 mill in corp with 700 shares. so each share still owned is still worth 1 mill.

lets say 3 days later an investor wants to buy those 300 shares and the corp is worth 1.05 bill with 700 shares, the new investor would have to pay 1.5 mill per share to own those shares.

question 2, cash outs will be handled like so....
if I have the money in corp wallet to pay out right away this is how it works
corp wallet + escrow + 90% ISK in sale orders / shares owned

now your going to say 90% of sale orders sounds like your getting jipped. But you have to take into consideration that sale order total is with margin included, and I can't guarantee that ill make max margin potential so by taking 10% it gives me wiggle room to sell and still allows me to make shareholders profit, I can explain in more detail but I just wanted you to get the idea.

now if I don't have the ISK in corp wallet, the share holder will have to wait till I can sell off orders to come up with the cash ( could take a day or so ) But the value of the pay out isn't determined by the time he said he wanted to cash out, its determined after I have enough money in corp wallet to pay the cash out. at that exact point, ill do the formula corp wallet + escrow + 90% sell orders and then the money will be sent.

so all in all, the pay out value is determined minutes before the money is sent, and is not off of a weekly updated price. makes it fair for everyone.

hopefully I answered you questions, if you would like to discuss this further, I would be more than happy to email you in regards to any further questions that you might have?