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Bustard fit - heavy nerf in Kronos
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Speed Destiny
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#1 - 2014-06-03 19:57:55 UTC
Before Kronos release today I was fiting 5 Expanded Cargohold II and with my Medium Cargohold Optimization I rigs I could haul cheap merchandise of apron 30.000 m3. Now with just 3 Expanded Cargohold II the cargo hold is:

13.705.5 m3


So goodbye cheap hi sec transports...

Darn!
Speed Destiny
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#2 - 2014-06-03 20:00:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Speed Destiny
Even if I would upgrade to T2 rigs, it would be half of the cargo hold I bought Bustard for before Kronos.

DAMN! From 33.000 m3 down to 14.000 m3. Who buys a Bustard?
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-06-03 20:03:45 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
...it gained a 50,000 m3 fleet hangar. DSTs were pretty much massively buffed. They now have huge storage without needing to use their lows and rig slots on expanders.

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Bael Gar
Russian SOBR
#4 - 2014-06-03 20:05:12 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
...it gained a 50,000 m3 fleet hangar.


which scales with skills, I got 57.500 m3 hangar actually.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-06-03 20:07:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
And that 50 000m3 fleet hanger you have gained in the process isn't acceptable, why?

Quote:

BUSTARD

Caldari Industrial Bonus per level:
+7.5% Shield Booster Effectiveness
+5% Velocity
Transport Ships Bonus per level:
+5% Fleet Hangar capacity
+4% Shield Resistances
Role Bonuses:
+2 Warp Core Strength
+100% bonus to the benefits of overheating Afterburners, Microwarpdrives, Local Repair Modules, and Resistance Modules

Slot layout: 2(+1)H, 6(+3)M, 3(-2)L; 2(+2) launchers
Fittings: 200 PWG, 290(+40) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 4300(+784) / 2300(-91) / 4000(+62)
Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 2900(+1806.25) / 725(+456)s / 4
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 80() / 1(+0.07) / 20,000,000 / 27.73s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 195 / 3(+1)
Sensor strength: 20
Signature radius: 165
Assembled Volume: 390000(+100000)
Cargo Hold: 5000(-500)m3
Fleet Hangar: 50000m3
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
#6 - 2014-06-03 20:07:32 UTC
Speed Destiny wrote:
Who buys a Bustard?

People who click the drop down arrow to access the Fleet Hangar?

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Speed Destiny
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#7 - 2014-06-03 20:14:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Speed Destiny
I need to read what is that. :) I saw it but the name hangar means hangar to my ears not cargo hold.

It wasn't there before Kronos and I had not read anything about it previously not having any ships with something like that...
Speed Destiny
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#8 - 2014-06-03 20:19:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Speed Destiny
Wow. So basically it gained free 55.000 m3 with no expanders? Accesible by all my fleet and can use fiting services? And a new launcher/turret slot? Now yes, I need to really read about all these changes... Damn!

But my Crane did not get anything in that department...
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-06-03 20:24:41 UTC
Speed Destiny wrote:
Wow. So basically it gained free 55.000 m3 with no expanders? Accesible by all my fleet and can use fiting services? And a new launcher/turret slot? Now yes, I need to really read about all these changes... Damn!

But my Crane did not get anything in that department...


Blockade runners were not changed as substantially since they were already pretty good, while the DSTs were virtually never used, being largely outclassed for most practical purposes by the Orca.

The most notable change to blockade runners is an increased warp speed per level bonus.

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Speed Destiny
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#10 - 2014-06-03 20:30:41 UTC
Thanks SurrenderMonkey! Good to know. I am now studying patch notes and re-do all my ships fittings.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#11 - 2014-06-03 20:52:40 UTC
Speed Destiny wrote:
Thanks SurrenderMonkey! Good to know. I am now studying patch notes and re-do all my ships fittings.


You can also fit a med mjd as well.

But yeah, we pushed fozzie to add hangers so we could use lows and rigs for fittings other than cargo during the t1 rebalance. So these dst changes are exactly what we were looking for.

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Ben Hatton
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-06-03 23:42:06 UTC
Not to be negitive, but this is the 4th Why did somthing get nerfed in Kronos and its bad thread I have read in the first 10 mins of logging on this morning... Keep up with the news ppl, ffs.
Takanuro
Eve Faction Trade Exchange
#13 - 2014-06-04 00:13:06 UTC
Speed Destiny wrote:
Before Kronos release today I was fiting 5 Expanded Cargohold II and with my Medium Cargohold Optimization I rigs I could haul cheap merchandise of apron 30.000 m3. Now with just 3 Expanded Cargohold II the cargo hold is:

13.705.5 m3


So goodbye cheap hi sec transports...

Darn!



So much fail. Reading ftw. Hopefully some gankers will find you and relieve you of the ship you hate so much.

Yes, we're going to die, but you're coming with us!
Echo Mande
#14 - 2014-06-04 09:59:27 UTC
Full literacy and reading release notes IMO ought to be a prereq for playing Eve. As others have said this is covered in devblogs and release notes. Personally I've got a batch of transports cooking and have ripped the (large) cargohold rig out of the one transport I have and had the thing hauling 24 packaged Venture frigs through highsec this morning.. I like it!

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Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
#15 - 2014-06-04 10:00:30 UTC
Speed Destiny wrote:
Wow. So basically it gained free 55.000 m3 with no expanders? Accesible by all my fleet and can use fiting services? And a new launcher/turret slot? Now yes, I need to really read about all these changes... Damn!

But my Crane did not get anything in that department...


Increase your Transport skill, right now your at Lvl 2 50 Base + 10% = 55k m3. Getting it up to Lvl 5 would be 62.5k m3.
Speed Destiny
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#16 - 2014-06-04 10:38:16 UTC
Well, I have other priorities now.... ;) Buzzard.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#17 - 2014-06-04 14:49:25 UTC
Echo Mande wrote:
Full literacy and reading release notes IMO ought to be a prereq for playing Eve. As others have said this is covered in devblogs and release notes. Personally I've got a batch of transports cooking and have ripped the (large) cargohold rig out of the one transport I have and had the thing hauling 24 packaged Venture frigs through highsec this morning.. I like it!


Casual players don't really have to read the patch notes. It's just that you're not a casual player any more if you fly a T2 industrial, or another fairly large and expensive T2 ship, such as a T2 BC or BS. At that point, you ought to keep up with dev blogs, patc notes and so forth.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#18 - 2014-06-04 17:32:35 UTC
Fit one of my many Bustards last evening.

As I have no need for a MJD, I fit for tank.

I was rather surprised when I undocked, activated my hardeners, and checked the EHP. It was freighter-class Shocked

Now I have a reason to train Transports 5.