Warfare & Tactics

"Pubbies"?? Faction War is in low sec. We don't talk that way.

Agreed.

From our perspective we have pilots capable of soloing, its just they choose to spend their game time in corp fleets - eve being an mmo.

Half of the solo deaths on our kb right now are not even relevant as they are newer players simply trying their hand at solo pvp during quiet times, others are not even solo pvpers they have simply been caught doing whatever they were doing IE were unlikely to have gone out with the idea of finding a solo pvp match up.

When u look at our most skilled players id happily send them up against GalMil soloer's and I'm sure the outcomes would be pretty even.

To me this looks like a red herring. It's a nice stat but has zero significance regarding any sensible metric u can use to measure the strength of the respective corps or faction.

Galmil have a number of more widely recognised characters - sure , are they better when broken down by corp and compared to CalMil corps - no

What GalMil has is better integration of the alliances and corps in its faction - IE they come together much better than CalMil currently does - Does this mean they are generally better at eve - Only in the sense that they interact better not in terms of piloting

With the exception of the odd CalMil alliance, Gal are better at flying logi and deploy them effectively through all time zones.

Other than that GalMil will occasionally deploy shinier ships (meaning the fleet composition will be significantly more powerful than what CalMil will have in the field - Why? They have a very good chance of staying alive due to number of quality logistics pilots GalMil currently have.

Black Fox IS awesome. +1 to all Marauders.

Somebody is. They didn't post QCATS solo stats.

Yeah u are definitely missing something - Justified Chaos lol which bring 3 * the total number of kills to the table.

Total kills if fine its more indicative of time served than anything else though - I concede it could also be an indicator of other things.

Look at the monthly stats - GHIOT was reformed only a couple of months ago give us another 6 months and then lets take another look.

Give us just 1 month more and I expect we as a corp will be out killing your corps on a monthly basis.

But you are neglecting the most important factor. Are we have fun in the game? - Our pilots certainly are, loads of it. I'm happy we can find fights anytime we want.

See you all in the WZ


Fixed quoting. ISD Ezwal.

Here's how I see it ...

The Gallente militia has more solid corps/alliances and a greater number of experienced pilots, better integration of that force across the militia and certainly a better logistics team. As a whole GalMil is certainly ahead.

However, while the number of top level corps and alliances is smaller in CalMil I don't see a major quality difference between those organisations and the comparable organisations in GalMil (note that I don't say I don't see any difference at all). With the exception of Templis, the major CalMil organisations are much younger than those on the Gallente side and this shows in how developed their integration with one another is. This is a systemic issue and not, as Thanatos suggests, because the Gallente CEOs and diplos are 'better'. The CEOs and diplos on each side are working within entirely different environments and gauging their relative base quality in a way that ignores environmental factors provides only a very crude metric. Similarly, gauging comparative aggressiveness, martial spirit and willingness to fight on the basis of comparing total monthly kills ignores the admitted fact that there are many more easy kills available to Gallente pilots than to those in CalMil due to the greater preponderance of farmers and lower quality corps and alliances within the Caldari militia.

The long and the short is that the Gallente militia as a whole is better and more successful than the Caldari militia as a whole at the moment but the distance between given top tier Gallente corps and top tier Caldari corps is considerably smaller, albeit not non-existent. I differ from EVE in that I think that GalMil does have considerably more top flight soloers, a situation that is entirely natural given relative times served in the warzone, but I don't think this is a particularly useful metric for general operational value given the very small impact soloing has on the warzone (I don't see a desire to solo as some mythical thing representing the martial spirit of each side; it's a particular play style that appeals to some individuals more than others and that is easier to pursue the greater the number of SP the individual pilot has).

The factors that make the greatest difference in gauging the relative quality of the two sides are integration and logistics experience. GalMil is way ahead in these areas and it would be foolish to deny it. It's something we'll need to work on a great deal as our corps mature and settle in to long term working relationships with one another.

tl;dr - GalMil as a whole is currently better but the top CalMil organisations are pretty close to their counterparts, although less numerous. A large amount of the quality difference is not due to 'better pilots' but systemic issues on the Caldari side that, when resolved, will close the gap by leap and bounds.

Now we just have the tiny matter of resolving those systemic issues

If your looking for PVP Action follow CODE around. I am certain you will find some quick easy kills. At last check one of their main leaders Cannibal Kane was residing in Tama and is a Pirate as well as the leader of the high sector CODE Incursions.

Getting Free Kills for CODE in the Faction War Arena - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=349557

You're smoking something good if you believe this. Over the past few months we've put them through the wringer, showed them their weak points, and smashed their faces with them. Their performance in Kehjari was excellent, and similar to their performance in Innia back in the day. Bloc, Templis, and Heiian all have been fielding good sized fleets lately, trolling for fights.

All these are signs of a militia that's getting it's feet back under it and finding it's footing again.

As the OP, I'm going to say nope you're wrong. I don't want the GalMil to have to civil war, as a RPer it would make cry to kill some mates, cept Crosi (he is my hero, but I know that snake set is in his head, I wants it).

Most of my thoughts about why there has not been a GalMil Civil war have been said. And I can't remember who said it, but I think that culture is the biggest reason there isn't one. It seems that in the CalMIl ever corp relies on their own CORP FC and leadership. There is no Militia FC, but that is also because you all are scared crazy of general militia guys as well. I think that as a Militia the GalMil offeres several FCs that do a couple different things and keep people active. We have everything for derptron jrFCs to BS fleet FCs, and all of these are open to the everyone. That has a lot to do with the culture in the GalMil.

But the CalMil is not a lost cause. It used to be the Militia to join. And unfortunatly for CalMil when the took the whole warzone in late 2009 it changed both their culture and Galmils. I really think that moment change the outlook of the GalMil. The old member of that remember never want it, to happen again, so the stick together and don't let small personally problems get in the way. One the other side of the coin I feel as if the Caldari are looking for a leader to lead them to victory, but become scared of it when it's there in reach and implode.

I hope the Calmil does improve. I enjoy the good fights and fun times had in the warzone.

I think this probably is the biggest reason. Most nullsec and other transient corps that join the militias for a quick LP/Isk boost are mindful of access to Jita, thus tend to choose either the Caldari or Amarr militia, with GalMil as their absolute last choice. These corps/alliance arrive expecting their numbers will overwhelm the opposing Militia. Then when they find that their one huge blob cannot compete against small scattered skirmishing gangs, they start stamping their feet and demanding the rest of their militia get behind their objectives and some even go to the extreme of shooting friendlies that they perceive are doing nothing other than milking the tier and LP advantages that they had no part in creating.

In the last 2 years that I've been in the Minmatar Militia, I've only seen one large blob join us and of course one major civil war. That was Biohazard/Winmatar. When they arrived, they believed they could take over the whole warzone and maintain Tier 5 indefinitely. They joined us when the Amarr were peaking and things quickly turned around reinforcing their view that they had made the difference. They refused to believe that the warzone ebbed and flowed like a tide between the two sides. Eventually, we reached a point where the Minmatar held most of the warzone. Tier 5 was reached and for a couple of weeks things were rosy. But then the tide turned and started going back to the Amarr. Biohazard couldn't understand it, they started raging in militia chat as to how useless every other corp was. How the rest of us were just a bunch of farmers taking advantage of their efforts. Thus how we didn't deserve their protection and couldn't expect to run POS's with immunity if we wouldn't defend the warzone. So they started taking friendly POSs off other Minmatar Militia corp. After about 2 weeks of civil war, what was left of Biohazard/Winmatar had quit the Minmatar and ran to the Gallente.



This is a stupid conclusion. Winmatar were still reeling from the kicking they had just taken from the Minmatar, almost half their members had quit, which included one of their Titan pilots. Of course they are going to be a bit docile after that. In short the Minmatar trained them to eat a bit of humble pie. Besides they were gone within a few weeks, they switched back to the Amarr Militia as soon as they had the standings to do that. I can't speak for Khan, but wasn't their arrival in GalMil under similar circumstances?