Ships & Modules

Ah, but you see, there are 2 things that CCP mouths, but does not follow through with.

1. The game is supposed to be rock/paper/scissors where every ship has an Achilles' heel.
2. Cost of ship is not supposed to guarantee invincibility, and an order of magnitude difference in cost only buys you a slight improvement.

Both those arguments are thrown back at players who complain about the fact that T2 cruisers are only marginally better than their T1 counterparts, and will certainly be used when fozzie destroys the value of T3's.

But when it comes to supercaps, those arguments are suddenly supposed to hold no water.


*Snip* Removed off topic part of the post. ISD Ezwal.

you know that anyone defending a ship being able to murder the one counter to it with ease as justified because the ship is expensive is both bad at this game, and bad at understanding game design

Don't care if they are OP, I have an alt with max drone skills \o/

Still too tightfisted to get one tho, although I might borrow one and go joyriding in it. Death2allsupers.

Try dropping that thing in lowsec and see what happens to you.

If you want to get that super, bring more than a lone HIC.

this attitude is emblematic of not really understanding the problem (or in many cases deliberately misunderstanding it)

no supercarrier can die to a lone hic right now (because a hic has basically no dps). a lone hic can keep a supercarrier from escaping, but whatever comes to try to kill the supercarrier has to be able to kill it.

the issue when a supercarrier can kill a hic is that any trapped supercap or group of supercaps in lowsec can simply murder all hics and cyno out regardless of the fleet they're facing or the support they have: they are at little risk of dying because anytime they might die they just frogout

supercarriers were already very hard to pin down in lowsec thanks to hics being **** - we derped a large supercarrier fleet into an obvious and well-stocked trap and still got out with most of our supercarriers because hics were already easy to scrape off even without the super being able to instagib them

if even PL+BL couldn't hold down an entire CFC supercarrier fleet before these changes, who exactly is the well-prepared group that will have enough hics to outlast the fighterswarm the supercarriers will drop?

Devoter has 434k explosive hitpoints with a normal t2 fit and no implants (no explosive hardener even). It has nearly 900k explosive HP once the reactive hardener adapts. A SINGLE oneiros reps it for 14k DPS in this state before even heating its reps. No matter how many highslots you devote to drone control units a pair of supercarriers is not going to break that tank.

Seriously, fit an explosive hardener to your ships or fly ships with a native T2 resist profile (amarr) and laugh while the fighters ping away at you because literally everyone is using exclusively einherjis due to their superior tracking/speed.

Alternatively, you could just shoot the fighters themselves (with your support fleet, of all things). I dont know about you but I dont think 5 DCU nyxes are especially good at repairing their drones.It

One more thing; focused warp disruptors have a cycle time of 6 seconds with the script in. It's only 30 seconds if you want to use the bubble. In lowsec a pair of hics are very capable of holding down 2-3 supers and are impossible to kill if there are any logistics on the field.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

tell that to XL turrets, tell that to FBs, tell that to sentries, dronebays on Dreads, target counts, fuel costs, etc, etc.

making drone skills benefit cap drones seems hasty, and should have come with a mild rebalance on the drones, but to cry "OMG SUPER ARE BACK!" is pretty far fetched.

also, capital bubble? you are talking about ships that represent months of work for their owners and for alliances, months of rent time if lost en masse. capital tackle is fine, move along.

Hmm, that is an interesting fit. I'll keep an eye out for the lowsec super fleets of Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere using your anti-tackle Nyx fits.

the 6 seconds part is a good point I forgot about.

However, I think it's sillier to assume people would throw all their eggs in one drone damage type basket. Now sure, that extra bit of speed on an einherji might have been that important before, but considering the speeds even one drone navigation computer puts fighters at, mixing them up with something like Firlbogs, which have similar orbit velo and decent tracking as well would be more than prudent. All of a sudden, the mega devoter isn't tanking the dps so well, especially considering the reactive hardener doesn't have one or two primary damage types to react to (50/50 split of firlbog/einherji is therm/kin/explo 35/30/35. Got a bunch of logi on the field to actively keep them alive? Yes, the hictors should survive, but with this change, that is going to become increasingly more difficult.


Oh, and a slight amendment, punched the numbers in properly, the fighters will do 7.1k dps @ 5km/s mwd speed, with ~12,000 EHP each, so, not nearly as viable to smartbomb anymore, you'll need focused dps.