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The Dark Light will return from the heart of the mother..

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Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#1 - 2011-12-05 04:02:12 UTC

This prophecy has continued to wear on my brain, as, to me, the others have passed. I think this is the only one to remain unfulfilled..

With it's popping up in the summit, from the lips of a Sansha Nationalist, it again plagues my mind..Blink

The only references that I can come up with is Black Body Radiation, Hawkings Radiation and Quantam Gravity.. Not being a physicist, I can barely grasp the concepts presented, let alone the ramifications.

But, I believe it to be relevent, as once again we explore the answer to everything. Notice the Hohlraum, and think about, "the Eve Gate is not what we think it is".

also notice all the terms used in the articles and their relevence to the world of Eve. Any physics majors who wish to chime in, please do!!

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#2 - 2011-12-05 06:48:58 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:


But, I believe it to be relevent, as once again we explore the answer to everything. Notice the Hohlraum, and think about, "the Eve Gate is not what we think it is".


The mischievous part of me wants it to be one of these.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#3 - 2011-12-07 20:55:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Something tells me Ms. Macaper is a Sister of Eve.. She insinuates that the Eve Gate is a "mother", either literally or metaphorically. Dark Light ties in nicely with Black Body Radiation, which is expressed in terms of Electromagnetics and Gravity, if I am not mistaken. As noted by many, it seems the Eve Gate is keeping something out of New Eden.

Another interpretation of Dark Light could be "Evil Knowledge". Dyson Sphere would not be my first choice, but, it certainly looks like a possibility. Istvaan S. noted a correlation somwhere between "Old Man Star" and a system in the Milky Way, Canopus, I think. With the cosmogonies I have seen related to Eve, and the fact that we see Giant shuttles floating around in New Eden, it very well could be something like a huge, cosmic life recycler.

Or a time machine..

If it is a Dyson Sphere, considering it is supposed to be a binary star system, did they build the sphere around the companion star? And further, it is obviously not the Terran star system, which has a single sun. Though the lack of stellar bodies in New Eden could have provided the materials to build the sphere..

If it is a holraum, it could be collecting the excess heat that we humans create, providing a longer life span for the galaxy, maybe it has to "vent" on occasion, accounting for the massive destruction involved with it..

Maybe that is why the Sleepers gave up their mortal forms, to survive an "event" that was unsurvivable in any other fashion. Surviving "judgement day", maybe the EoM and the Takhmal found evidence of this, and that is the "mistake" the EoM go on about..

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Myxx
The Scope
#4 - 2011-12-07 23:08:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Myxx
So, original EVE story intro described new eden as
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a celestial womb through which civilisation would be reborn
Word for word if you care to look it up.

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Dark Light from the heart of the mother


I think it might be more of a celestial event than anything else. And I'm not sure it would be necessarily catastrophic.
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#5 - 2011-12-07 23:26:28 UTC
Another possibility is UV light, which is sometimes known as Black Light which is associated with type-O main sequence stars.

Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#6 - 2011-12-08 05:34:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Yes Black Body Radiation is way up into the unseen ultrviolet spectrum..

Yes, Myxx, another possibility, and a sound reason why ships would need to be heavily reinforced to make it through the wormhole.. Which begs the question, is the wormhole still there? We know the gates are on the fritz, but what about the Eve wormhole? Also, Black Body Radiation is postulated to be spewwing from the poles of what else? A Black Hole..

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Myxx
The Scope
#7 - 2011-12-08 06:16:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Myxx
I was tired earlier so my reply was halfassed, I apologise. Expanding on that, it was concluded somewhere that the little brother was Kuvakei. So certainly, the Dark Light from the Heart of the Mother cannot possibly be related to the Seyllin event with the wormholes spawning, because it would be backwards.

It begs the question, what is the "Mother" that is being spoken of? I don't agree that Macaper was a Sister of EVE, she was regarded as a Doom Prophet and rightfully so with the interpretation of her prophecy according to the chronicle and other texts its in. But, what if this isn't a litteral end of the world prophecy?

Her book was called the Seven Events of the Apocalypse. Apocalypse is wrongfully interpreted much of the time to mean Doomsday/armegeddon/totalhelldeath.

Wikipedia wrote:
An Apocalypse (Greek: ἀποκάλυψις apokálypsis; "lifting of the veil" or "revelation") is a disclosure of something hidden from the majority of mankind in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception, i.e. the veil to be lifted.


If you go and look at some of the stuff in the Archive of the old forums, in particular this stuff, I'm pretty sure that a lot of the hidden information being revealed would qualify as a certain veil being lifted.


I think a whole lot of people, as a result, are looking in the wrong direction, quite possibly in the entirely wrong mindset. I don't think we're looking for an end of the world destruction event. Certain pieces and bits of information are hinting at a widespread conspiracy with the wool being pulled over our collective eyes. Theres something out there that we're not seeing yet. That is the Dark Light from the heart of the Mother, I think.

Oh, and yeah, I and some friends spent some time speculating about this in private and following certain lines of theorycrafting, thats basically the result of many drunken nights of thinking and arguing.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#8 - 2011-12-08 15:07:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
After a very productive conversation took place in AJ: OOC last night I started going over things again, taking into account much of what you said above, Myxx. Maybe the Seven Prophecies of the Apocolypse are not prophecies in the conventional sense. Maybe they are more akin to a history lesson. Not about what will happen, but, what did happen.

The Oruze Osobnyk bears a striking resemblance to a symbol that is scattered across New Eden, transcending Empire and Race. The symbolism is what many have called the Euro Symbol. The Oruze Osobnyk reflects this symbol in a 3 dimensional representation. Someone else pointed this out to me, but, they wish to remain anonymous at this point. Blink

Oddly, it is the Caldari logo, why DID the Sleepers represent themselves to Lianda Bureau as a Caldari? Because they read her emotional tie to Hilen Tukoss, or because it was "natural" for them?

The Intaki logo also reflects the same symbology, slightly modified. Who was it that designed the Zephyr? A ship that the Sleepers do not fire upon.

The Ni Kunni also share this symbology, though tying them into much has yielded little.

The Prophecies very well could be the story of our ancient history. The Yan Jung were strongly invested in Semiotics, or the study of symbology, they were likely of asian caste. This ideological constant has been handed down through generations of their scattered progeny. The Middle Kingdom is Asia, we all seem to agree on that. We see that China and India have become the powerhouses of manufacturing today, and the Devs likely saw the trends way back when, they seem to be well read. The Caldari are a blending of European and Asian.

The Jove have an untoward affection for the Caldari, why? Race relationship? Jove are divided into Statics and Modifiers, two clans of a racial stereotype. The Minmatar are favored by the Jove, as well. I suppose my next step is to explore Matari symbology and see if there is a correlation somehow to the Talocan.

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Myxx
The Scope
#9 - 2011-12-08 15:38:09 UTC
This is probably pretty obvious I feel, but if you're going through the trouble to look at symbology, you might find that theres something worthwhile to look at between the ties the Sleepers have to the Jove, and the symbology of the Jovian Empire to the Angel Cartel symbology.

How that ties into the EVE history and lore is pretty interesting, I think.

As for statics and modifiers, I feel there might be something to do with the modification culture in the Federation and the stagnant corporate culture the State has, and reasons why the Sleepers took to the Caldari and the Jove take fondly to the Minmatar.

I'm rambling again, ill probably expand on it later.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#10 - 2011-12-08 15:48:51 UTC
On another note, Aechpee was commenting on the inconsistant nature of the Seylinn Report, noting that the theorized energy release should have devastated the systems they occured in, instead they only boiled off one planet in each.

Perhaps the Seylinn event was a "second" attempt at something. Like the reopening of the Eve wormhole. The first attempt occured thousands of years ago, and did devastate the system it took place in. New Eden.

What closed the Eve Gates? Perhaps it was the wormhole closing unexpectedly, or shrinking dramatically? The energy backlash short circuited the Eve Gates, leaving them trapped in a recursive loop and effectively useless. The only way to return to the Terran homeland would be to reopen a wormhole and establish a two way link from which gates could be opened.

Realizing that they needed more power, after the failure at New Eden, they enlarged the project, and tryed to spread the damage across a wider area. Doing so would move the wormhole into an area unreachable by conventional means, but, a Sleeper society might be able to make the voyage in cryo. So they used multiple systems and used planetary gravity wells to "focus" the power unleashed.

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Myxx
The Scope
#11 - 2011-12-08 15:52:03 UTC
Might also wanna look at something else here.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#12 - 2011-12-08 15:56:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Yes, the Jovian symbol is very akin to the Deteis and Tash Murkon logos. The Angel Cartel blends the Amarr and adds that funny little dot that is also reflected in alot of other symbology. The fifth symbol mentioned in a chron..

All science is applied, eventually..Blink

Technology is always a double edged sword..

Still haven't read novels, but, didn't the Jove recently try to pass through the Eve Wormhole? Maybe this was the first time in thousands of years that they had the chance?

Such could imply that the "Dark Light" is the rediscovery of the technology associated with wormholes and the Mother of All Wormholes, Eve..

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Myxx
The Scope
#13 - 2011-12-09 00:01:43 UTC
I have read them, and I feel that the one chapter that they're mentioned in is a huge copout in the way its portrayed and I just can't help but feel that its entirely contrary to the rest of EVE's story. So, I sort of ignore it.
Auwnie Morohe
DYON.
#14 - 2011-12-09 02:18:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Auwnie Morohe
Ill have to put in a couple of my cents as well then.Cool

I really like the ancient Greek translation of Apocalypse. Nice catch. It fit perfectly with the whole Sleeper Mystery as far as i am concerned. Before I learned this little bit of Greek I was leaning towards the dark light meaning Isogen-5 and all its connection with Jamyl, a substance that can create negative space and the EVE gate. But I am not a big fan of cryptic things that are meant to be cryptic. My over associating brain gets overheated when there are too many leads to follow. I like my clues hidden in plain site.Big smile

There was a middle kingdom in ancient Egypt also if I am not mistaken. Not that I think the Yan Jung are Egyptian though.

I was wondering because i only noticed after Roga mentioned the Intake logo in another thread if anyone else realized it is an i, as in a letter i or was that just me being oblivious.

Oh yeah, Anyone else going for a round trip around jove space to look at their nebulae. If you do planet view on one of the planets you can actually see them as if you are actually there, the nebulae that is. I wonder is that is working as intended.

On the Jove standings towards the empire factions. There was a live event way back in the early days of EVE, which has some very i mean very interesting storyline ideas, where the players had to collect items and trade them with Jove. The factions that collected the most items got a standings boost for, as the devblog mentions, when Jove space opens up and people can run missions with them. I dont think that is actually ever going to happen though.

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I have read them, and I feel that the one chapter that they're mentioned in is a huge copout in the way its portrayed and I just can't help but feel that its entirely contrary to the rest of EVE's story. So, I sort of ignore it.

Really? It is called Confirmation bias I think.Cool It is not that difficult to make sense of. Prometheus realized long ago he was out of his depth. He still is as are we all maybe more than ever.
Myxx
The Scope
#15 - 2011-12-09 03:44:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Myxx
I went and read it again, just to be sure my memory was correct since the Empyrean Age expansion.

Yeah, its a copout. I'll maintain that, and to expand on it, I mean its a copout in that its a page and a half of suggesting that the EVE Gate was quite possibly a living entity of some sort, or that TonyG wanted to kill off an entire race. Outside of one of those two, I'm still not perfectly sure what he was going on about. And outside of those two things, the only part that makes even mild sense to me is the portion with the EVE Gate. If thats confirmation bias, then ill admit I'm guilty of it and of the mind that he could of done far better and written more.

Feel free to correct both or either for me.
Auwnie Morohe
DYON.
#16 - 2011-12-09 17:22:10 UTC
The chapter is about the Jove scientist not EVE.

You do actually make a interesting point as to how mr Gonzales describes the EVE gate. He is anthropomorphizing it. Earlier in the chapter the same is done with the Eidolon which might actually be a living thing.

You just made the chapter a lot more interesting for me. If you regard the entire chapter as internal to the scientist it all makes sense. Which is not too difficult since there are several allusions to seeing related things. As a matter of fact I think it is the point of the chapter.

And to make it a little bit more interesting, what if his description of the EVE gate is actually Psychological projection. In other words EVE is reflecting the Jove scientists own wanted feelings that he cannot feel.Cool


And since it is the season. The Festival
Myxx
The Scope
#17 - 2011-12-09 18:11:27 UTC
That wouldn't be too far fetched if the thing with the EVE Gate and the Scientist were to be the case. So, going with that, what does that mean for the rest of the EVE Cluster if the Scientist's emotions were projected by the Gate? It ties in quite nicely, I think with the events that sorrounded the Empyrean Age expansion.

And on the Eidolon... Check out the lore behind the Crystal Boulevard, I particularly like the notion that its in the shape of a triple helix. Its quite possible that you're spot on with it all being alive in its own way. You may also wish to look at the description of materials that the Rogue Drones drop, and again, their ties to the Directorate, and the ties the materials could possibly have to the triple helix in Callie.

;)
Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
#18 - 2011-12-10 00:13:32 UTC
Myxx wrote:
Expanding on that, it was concluded somewhere that the little brother was Kuvakei.


Citation needed, please.

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Myxx
The Scope
#19 - 2011-12-10 01:38:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Myxx
Ghost Hunter wrote:
Myxx wrote:
Expanding on that, it was concluded somewhere that the little brother was Kuvakei.


Citation needed, please.

There was a post by one of the Minmatar actors in last years (2010) opening events with Kuvakei that posed a mathematical problem that almost everyone who read it and responded had equated it to the
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“what was many now becomes one when one becomes four”

portion of the prophecy, and so if that was the case, it would have made sense that the little brother not being welcome would infact be Sansha.

I forget the actor's name, I'll dig up details hopefully tonight or tomarow. That though is what I recall off of the top of my head, if you want to do any digging. I think the same Minmatar actor has showed up in the Arek'jaalan events, when Hilen went to meet her in lowsec. If my memory serves, the mathematical problem was posted around the same time that the Revenant was being introduced. EDit: I'm pretty sure it was posted as something having to do with the Revenant itself.

Edit: Granted, my memory might be shoddy and I could be wrong and have merged events in my head. Usually, its pretty good about these things. I'll try to find the specifics soon(tm)
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#20 - 2011-12-11 11:47:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari
These two threads perhaps

The IC, Emergency Assistance Request and the OC fiction discussion, Sansha Incursion clues

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"We are not equal; cut us twice and we are."
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