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Sentry damage after Kronos?
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Peaches Dallacort
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-06-04 04:59:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Peaches Dallacort
What skills are required to get sentries to the same dps as before Kronos?

For example with sentry drone interfacing V, drone interfacing IV, and Gallente drone spec IV, will my sentries will now be doing less dps than pre kronos? What if i have rank V for racial and drone interfacing? Will the dps be same or less?

Tl:dr were sentries nerfed or just altered?
Haiiro Aurgnet
Celestial Phoenix Industries
#2 - 2014-06-04 05:00:48 UTC
there is abouit five threads in the past 24 hours with this info.

short answer. sentries nerfed. for some ships, nerfed harder than others. Sucks, Especially as someone who trained SO MUCH SP into drones- but thus is eve.
Peaches Dallacort
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-06-04 05:08:39 UTC
Haiiro Aurgnet wrote:
there is abouit five threads in the past 24 hours with this info.

short answer. sentries nerfed. for some ships, nerfed harder than others. Sucks, Especially as someone who trained SO MUCH SP into drones- but thus is eve.



If they were nerfed then that indeed does suck, since i spent 3 months training for sentries
Aria Jimbojohnson
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-06-04 05:14:35 UTC
Even with all skills (including drone specs) to 5, and the new horribly expensive faction drone damage amps, Gardes still do less damage than prepatch with T2 DDAs.
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-06-04 05:15:01 UTC
Meh, it's not like Ishtars aren't still leagues ahead of every other cruiser hull in game
Semirael Aivo
Aivo Survival Ltd
#6 - 2014-06-04 05:16:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Semirael Aivo
50 dps less on my sentry dominix.
Kronos sucks !
Please CCP do a rollback.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-06-04 05:25:45 UTC
Haiiro Aurgnet wrote:
there is abouit five threads in the past 24 hours with this info.

short answer. sentries nerfed. for some ships, nerfed harder than others. Sucks, Especially as someone who trained SO MUCH SP into drones- but thus is eve.

Sentries have not been straight nerfed, get your facts straight before you misinform others.

CCP Fozzie wrote:
Looking forward to all your feedback. CCP Rise and I have been working hard on these changes and we think they'll be great for the drone ecosystem as a whole.

:Edit:

I'm seeing a fair bit of confusion about the details of the Sentry changes. I left the nitty gritty details out of the text section of the blog since they don't lend themselves to easy summaries and the actual numbers were in the spreadsheet, but I'll go over the end results of the changes to T1 and T2 sentries here so people can see the whole picture. These numbers assume max skills:

Curator I - +15% tracking, -50% falloff, +18.15% damage
Warden I - +40% falloff, +12% damage
Garde I - +50% falloff, +2% damage
Bouncer I - +60% tracking, -12.5% optimal, +14.3% falloff, +2.86% damage

Curator II - +15% tracking, -50% falloff, +8.31% damage
Warden II - +40% falloff, +2.67% damage
Garde II - +50% falloff, -6.5% damage
Bouncer II - +60% tracking, -12.5% optimal, +14.3% falloff, -5.71% damage

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Peaches Dallacort
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-06-04 05:54:19 UTC
6.5% nerf to gardes with max skills. I thought they wanted to make drones better with less skillpoints, not make them worse with more skills needed...
Twentyone 12
Test For Echo
#9 - 2014-06-04 05:59:56 UTC
Peaches Dallacort wrote:
6.5% nerf to gardes with max skills. I thought they wanted to make drones better with less skillpoints, not make them worse with more skills needed...


They wanted to do both and did both.

Great changes both of them aswell.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#10 - 2014-06-04 06:12:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Alphea Abbra
If a 6.5 % Garde and a 5.7 % Bouncer damage nerf is what we must pay for having drones of all 4 races, I'm all for it.
Did you know that Amarr had sentries apart from their E-War drones? I wasn't aware!
Did you know that there exists other Caldari drones than EC-300, EC-600 and EC-900?
NEITHER DID I!

Thanks ObamaCCP*.

*Without any sarcasm. Seriously.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-06-04 06:15:37 UTC
Peaches Dallacort wrote:
6.5% nerf to gardes with max skills. I thought they wanted to make drones better with less skillpoints, not make them worse with more skills needed...

Drones are not gardes.
Try to open your eyes a little bit.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Don Purple
Snuggle Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#12 - 2014-06-04 06:30:47 UTC
I support the changes

I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#13 - 2014-06-04 06:34:04 UTC
Twentyone 12 wrote:
Peaches Dallacort wrote:
6.5% nerf to gardes with max skills. I thought they wanted to make drones better with less skillpoints, not make them worse with more skills needed...

They wanted to do both and did both.

Great changes both of them aswell.

This. Looking at one stat for one drone under one specific circumstance tells you absolutely nothing about what they actually did to the class as a whole (or why they did it). They have achieved the goals they set up quite nicely with these alternations.

Peaches Dallacort wrote:
What skills are required to get sentries to the same dps as before Kronos?
For the T2 ones, you generally can't. It's kind of the point.

Quote:
Tl:dr were sentries nerfed or just altered?
Yes.
Josef Djugashvilis
#14 - 2014-06-04 06:40:52 UTC
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Meh, it's not like Ishtars aren't still leagues ahead of every other cruiser hull in game


Jeez man, do not say this in public as CCP will nerf them on the grounds that, as the some folk used to say, the tall poppy must be cut down.

In the end, it will not matter what ship and combination of fittings you use as CCP seem to be hellbent on having all ships and fittings the same near as makes no difference.

This is not a signature.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-06-04 07:29:00 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
If a 6.5 % Garde and a 5.7 % Bouncer damage nerf is what we must pay for having drones of all 4 races, I'm all for it.
Did you know that Amarr had sentries apart from their E-War drones? I wasn't aware!
Did you know that there exists other Caldari drones than EC-300, EC-600 and EC-900?
NEITHER DID I!

Thanks ObamaCCP*.

*Without any sarcasm. Seriously.

as big fan of high-sec lvl4s i already used all 4 types of sentries. Especially after NPC AI "improvement" which made using of regular drones in lvl4s inconvenient.

So thanks but i didn't need nerf of any sentry drone "to find other options".

Thanks god i switched to Kronos (marauder) already and won't suffer of these 'great changes'. But my Rattlesnake goes to hangar for loooooong time i guess....

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Kaea Astridsson
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#16 - 2014-06-04 07:48:55 UTC
Won't the boost to falloff and tracking help in applying that damage better overall? And wasn't this drone fix intended to also make Heavy Drones usable. How viable are they now to throw at those pesky red crosses?

Get on Comms, or die typing.
Fat Patrick
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-06-04 08:07:58 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Haiiro Aurgnet wrote:
there is abouit five threads in the past 24 hours with this info.

short answer. sentries nerfed. for some ships, nerfed harder than others. Sucks, Especially as someone who trained SO MUCH SP into drones- but thus is eve.

Sentries have not been straight nerfed, get your facts straight before you misinform others.

CCP Fozzie wrote:
Looking forward to all your feedback. CCP Rise and I have been working hard on these changes and we think they'll be great for the drone ecosystem as a whole.

:Edit:

I'm seeing a fair bit of confusion about the details of the Sentry changes. I left the nitty gritty details out of the text section of the blog since they don't lend themselves to easy summaries and the actual numbers were in the spreadsheet, but I'll go over the end results of the changes to T1 and T2 sentries here so people can see the whole picture. These numbers assume max skills:

Curator I - +15% tracking, -50% falloff, +18.15% damage
Warden I - +40% falloff, +12% damage
Garde I - +50% falloff, +2% damage
Bouncer I - +60% tracking, -12.5% optimal, +14.3% falloff, +2.86% damage

Curator II - +15% tracking, -50% falloff, +8.31% damage
Warden II - +40% falloff, +2.67% damage
Garde II - +50% falloff, -6.5% damage
Bouncer II - +60% tracking, -12.5% optimal, +14.3% falloff, -5.71% damage



thats a nerf.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#18 - 2014-06-04 08:17:24 UTC
Kaea Astridsson wrote:
Won't the boost to falloff and tracking help in applying that damage better overall?


Stop trying to make sense damnit! This is the uninformed rage thread.


Garde II lost a bit of damage but gained falloff

Warden II got a damage buff and massively increased falloff (which it didn't really need)

Bouncers got a hilarious tracking boost but lost some dps and has its range changed to be more in falloff not like you'll ever use it that much, (super hint, that means unless you shoot at a non-transversal target it'll actually increase the applied dps)

Curator II got a tracking buff, a massive DPS boost but loss on falloff (not like it matters)



Simply put; more uniformity, more usable sentry types with better applied dps but the garde II lost a bit of paper dps so drones got nuuuuuurfed. Well, according to hyperbole uninformed low IQ inbreds, that is.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-06-04 09:08:27 UTC
Fat Patrick wrote:
thats a nerf.

literally 2 out of 8 drones lost 5-7% damage while the rest got stat buffs across the board and all you can say is "thats a nerf"?
Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#20 - 2014-06-04 09:08:41 UTC
I warped in and tried to deploy my sentries (wardens) like I've done a hundred times before, only to be greeted with a box saying "you lack the skill to do that"

Hilarious panic ensues, and I mash the peeled weasel drive out of there.

I then head to the station, buy the skill book, learn it and continue from where I left off.

Things change; deal with it.

Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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