Player Features and Ideas Discussion

TL;DR: Revoke interceptor immunity to one type of bubble, for example a HIC bubble. Keep immunity to other types of bubbles.

Like everyone else, I've enjoyed the near-complete safety afforded by brainless gate-to-gate travel through nullsec in my dual-stabbed interceptor. However, I think it's a bit too much "easy mode," as evidenced by the thousands of intys used throughout New Eden as fast, near-zero-risk travel through 0.0. Note my use of "near-" in this paragraph: I'm aware that it is possible (but not guaranteed) to catch a dual-stabbed Inty on a gate using 3 or more linked, resebo'ed points, or with a smartbombing battleship that gets lucky enough with server ticks to see the inty on D-scan before it lands and time its SB activation properly.

Some benefits of the proposed change:

• It still leaves Intys as a very safe method of travel, but it offers one reliable counter to them
• This is a counter that intys can still avoid with a bit of caution, but they can't ignore it completely
• HIC bubbles are a natural choice, since the ships already have the "infinite point" capability in the lore
• Because HICs aren't as widely used as anchored bubbles or the dessie-hull interdictors, it may give folks a reason to fly them a bit more
• HICs are much slower warping than intys and dictors, which would help keep their utility against intys somewhat in check
• A HIC is fairly slow on grid in relation to an Inty, so HICs would be unlikely to catch and kill intys inside their own bubbles without teamwork (group play is a central tenant of Eve)
• It may give fleets a reason to start using covops again as scouts instead of just intys

Based on the above, I think I'm suggesting a pretty balanced change. Full disclosure, I am first and foremost a PVP'er and I do want to be able to kill stuff. I also use intys for travel, but I do think most ships should have a realistic counter. I don't think that the suggested change will result in certain deaths for all the intys out there. I do think it will take intys a bit less out of their "easy mode" travel role. I think the change will promote less AFK play and more healthy PVP.

That's just as bad. if you want faster lock times, equip the necessary modules and have someone with remote sensor boosters and/or a command ship with the appropriate gang assist modules.

Good points so far about alternative approaches to this. Maybe this proposal should morph into the larger issue of Tiericide, specifically the rebalancing of HICs.

HICs could be used as a counter to not just Intys, but any nullified ships (e.g., T3 Cruisers). And the counter doesn't have to be simply a bubble that stops all ships. It could involve scripts to "flavor" the HIC's bubble. For example, the HIC could script its bubbles to catch nullified ships OR non-nullified ships, but not both. Or affect speed/agility/mass of certain other ship types (e.g., nullifieds, cloakeys) inside the bubble but not prevent warps. Different effects could be visible to other pilots by continuing the theme of different colored bubbles.

+1

Death to Interceptors Online

Is still think inty's should stay immune to bubbles and that bubbles should be not able to affect interceptors in any way at all. That's what interdiction nullifying is there for after all.

And if an interceptor pilot really does use a double stab setup, just use more scramblers.

The "wahwah interceptors" posts that pop up all over the forums lately sound exactly like the "afk cloaking rage" froma few months ago, only this time it's not the carebears that are whining.

It's simplistic, I give you that. But unbalanced? No.

Post your kill mail.

... Debora your post has nothing to do with Ray´s post at all... just make you look ... not smart at all... if you Quote a post read it or gtfo

Another "Make my Blue Space Safe" thread....

So far, so good. On the second page now and so far nobody has been able to explain why the op is a bad idea. Most negative responses are trolls or from people with relatively little related PVP experience.

To the "post your killmail troll": your troll makes no sense. I'm trying to generate PVP with this, not avoid it.

To the "make my blue space safe" troll: I don't live in sov space and welcome any targets into my system because all I do is PVP. Besides, Intys will still be 95% uncatchable with my proposal, I'm just saying let's get the percentage down from 99% uncatchable.

To those who haven't experienced intys before they got bubble immunity: it was already almost impossible for a competent inty pilot to die to a bubble camp before they got immunity. Inties are one of my favorite ships to fly and I think I've lost maybe two inties in 6 years to bubble camps. Bubble immunity is a luxury, not a necessity for safe travel.

To the "f off" people: I'm happy to entertain any _explained_ objections to the proposal. I change my mind all the time when presented with compelling arguments, something I have to do all the time at my job. When CCP reads this thread it will help if you guys post reasoned objections, or else they will just ignore you and the likelihood of my proposal being implemented goes up rather than down. Stop shooting yourselves in the foot.