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So in short, us high sec casual players who made/harvested our own fuel, & bought the small faction towers ( before the prices skyrocketed ) will only get 3 weeks of fuel out of what use to give us 4.

so wait, 40 blocks an hour???? why do i think that is 10 times more then it should be.

Still can't put blocks into the tower.

When is this going to be fixed? i.e. an eve-date.
Lacking a date for when it will be fixed. When will you know when it will be fixed? i.e. a date for a date.

o damnit.. I typed this all in once already and the post form left me with an empty freakin' message.. O I hate doing things twice.
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So building the blocks isn't the problem. We already saw that the schedule was during the holidays and so we bought stacks of blueprints.. not just one set. Then build them in parallel so we got done in a hurry. The speed @ which you can build the blocks is somewhat in your control.. though it does take a LOT of slots to build a months work for me.. I estimate even with 10 blueprints for each race.. and I find some helpful builders to help me build.. it'll be more than just a few days to get the 1st month's stockpile of energon cubes for our corp's usage.

The problem is getting that fuel into the towers. I can't plan for that yet.
I expected to be at least started with that process by now.
And I need to be done with it soon.

Us manager types in EvE are typically managers or a bit more advanced in real life as well. We expect to have things done ahead of time and checked off.. We take vacations. I'm sure I'm not alone in this boat.

If this system is not working within say a week.. its going to be a big problem. People simply are not going to be around. Even if its all working in say 5 days.. and we have all the schedules.. that only gives me a couple days to delegate all the tasks and get my own part handled... working with everyon'es holiday schedules.. verifying it was all completed correctly..

Even now.. I should be no longer worried about the towers if it wasn't for this fuel block problem.. until after New Years.
4 weeks of fuel takes us past New Years.. no problem. But instead.. we need to be putting in some portion of fuel blocks.. to make it past New Years. But how much? Without some solid dates to work with, we can't plan properly. And even if we knew the dates and therefore could calculate how much reall fuel vs energon to put in each tower to make it past new years, we can't actually put it in still 'cause the game is borked. I need to get started on this process.. damned soon.. if it going to be done at all.

All this hassle because CCP considers it a risk to develop either
(a) a sql script or similar to calculate the amount of fuel in the towers .. and replace existing fuel with equivalent fuel blocks. (I have php code to do the calculation part already based upon the posdetails.api.. its not that hard. CCP says they can't afford the testing time.. omg.. )
(b) allow burning of normal fuel ad-infinatum but not allowing new normal fuel to go in. when it runs out.. start burning energon [this would give us the extra advantage of not needing to bring back so much extra old fuel out of the tower after the switchover]

I'm trying to deal with their limitations and restrictions.. but its getting pretty damned difficult with each passing day.

There's a short fuse here.. and its getting shorter all the time.

Well this will be awesome, 40 blocks of fuel per hour. Soon most PoS's will be offline since it takes just over 5 hours of ice mining with level 5 skills to make enough fuel blocks for one day. Since this is happening most players that live in WH space will be forced to leave. T3 ships will become a thing of the past. T2 mods and ships will now cost an arm and leg to even build.

So, basically ccp you are losing alot of players when this drops and I do mean alot.

I'm just wondering if, along with these nifty, new fuel blocks, is CCP planning on increasing the available supply of Heavy Water and Liquid Ozone? I know one of the main benefits of fuel blocks is you no longer have to do all the math you used to. Especially since large towers now use exactly 150 HW and 150 LO regardless of how much PG and/or CPU your tower is actually using. But I'd bet that most towers weren't using 100% of the HW and/or LO that they could have because most towers couldn't setup enough arrays to run exactly 100% of the towers PG and/or CPU capacity. So, let's assume that every tower used to average about 60% CPU/PG (no clue what the actual average would be... I'm guessing CCP could figure that out). That would mean your average large tower used to use only 90 HW/LO per hour. So what the fuel blocks are effectively going to do is increase the demand on Heavy Water and Liquid Ozone by about 67% (assuming the 60% average usage in my example).

Even if the average was higher then 60%, the result is still going to be an increased demand on Heavy Water and Liquid Ozone. The actual increase will simply depend on what the average usage used to be. And if there is going to be no new sources of supply for these items, that's going to drive those costs up. Maybe one of the Dev's intentions was to drive up costs, but I was under the impression that since those commodities are basically only supply through mining, their costs would be controlled solely by players. Not by CCP messing with the market, even in an indirect fashion.

I'm absolutely NOT saying that I don't like the idea of the fuel blocks. I'm actually looking forward to them. I just don't want to see my fuel costs sky rocketting because no new Liquid Ozone or Heavy Water are being supplied to the market.

I did some numbers on fuel usage by a normal Caldari and a DG large control tower, using current Jita prices, and 100% grid and cpu usage:

current fuels total 575k isks per hour for a normal tower
current fuels total 466k isks per hour for a DG tower

The DG tower uses 75% of the ICE fuels, but inconsistent lower numbers of PI-based fuels, but the total is 19% lower than that of a normal tower.

current fuel block cost at zero waste: 540k isks (per hour)
at 80% a DG tower will use 432k isks (per hour)

So this patch will lower the cost of running a tower, especially by lowering PI-fuel usage. Tower controllers should stop whining about increased cost of running towers always at 100% grid and cpu :)

CCP Greyscale: is the lower PI-fuel usage intentional?

-my two cents :)

Sorry Beran and Icarus but you are wrong that it will not cost more ISK - but has nothing to do with the amount of fuel that goes into each block. The price is based on current Jita price and you can already see the price fuels going up because of the horribad Interbus taxes on PI. What used to cost 2 mil to pull from 5 planets now costs over 30 mil in taxes. That is going to be passed along and it will not settle. Let's see if we all remember when PI was introduced. Remember how much POS fuel components were and what they were 2 weeks later after PI introduction. And guess what? They did not go down and will not go down - just look at the market price history.

After much yammering about the fuel pods, SOV usage, research, and faction tower usage, the amount of fuel used is fairly equivalent, in fact, mech parts and oxygen are a couple points less. However, what fact that everyone is missing is that it will cost more because the fuel prices are continually going up because 1) people doing PI stopped doing PI and 2) the fighting over the gantries will limit the large groups for control.

Lightword is correct. CCP please look at what you are doing with the fuel prices. There is nothing wrong with the amounts of fuel pods or how this is done. What is wrong is PI, the taxes, and making gantries destructible/one per planet. And don't even get me started on Ice mining, please do put Ice fields only out in null sec and 0.0 (in a sarcastic tone of voice). You really think smaller corps are going to be able to afford 180+ mil a week for Custom Gantry (already they were 150+ mil a week ago) because other corps having nothing better to do then go blow up custom gantries. Cygnet is right on - thanks for making this unplayable for solo, small groups who can't compete with the big alliances sitting out in 0.0. Might as well stop inventing/building/selling and go scam in Jita, seems to be more money in that endeavor .

I'm sorry but i disagree. wait i'm not sorry.70% of towers?? cheak your math hommie. most towers run at 65% of the avalible rid on CPU and power one if not both. this new fuel block is a god send for most. the few that dont use there grid can just utalize the tower better

Bob, maybe I'm using magic, but on a small tower that's a 300% increase over what I paid to maintain my small through smart shopping and doing my own PI, according to my wallet for the last four months.


Again, I'm not seeing this as a good thing for T2.