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NPC escorts for hire ?

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DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#121 - 2014-06-02 20:53:58 UTC
We cannot play only PvP nor only PvE without players there is no EvE but without the environment neither. Escorts would be nothing but another type of weapon. An autonomus one but still anly a weapon. A step ahead on AI and galaxy population. Changes are comming and the conservative attitude is dummed to fail. I am ready for a fight in all aspects and the political one is not one I am going to deny.

What did you say about CODE?

Vittorio en Divalone
The Account
#122 - 2014-06-02 22:08:43 UTC
I liked the idea of the convoys also. As a matter of fact there is already simulated traders and convoys. This would be quite simple to work out.

3 tiers based on cargo cap:

TI 20k m3 50 chits per jump.
TII 40k m3 100 chits per jump.
TIII 80k m3 200 chits per jump.

Every 10k chits spent in same corp you get a permanent 10% reduction in prices to a max of 50%.

Just a service button in the station service window so you can choose the ship or ships you want to hire and the number of jumps you would need them. This would open a menu showing the systems -and submenu for stations- in that range. Once selected and confirmed the payment is done and chits are sustracted from player journal. tShips should show in ship hangar as a not driveable ship but would be ready to open, load and unload. Once ready ships will undock when master -who paid the bill- undocks himself. At this point there is not way back and convoy will start the journey as any other ship with AP, meaning they wont jump to a stargate but a few Kms before.

Speeds either for warping as for sub warp will be sgnificant slower than the normal ranges for capsuler ships symilar types as the amount of computers needed for the AI to operate the ships would take a lot of room.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#123 - 2014-06-03 01:46:26 UTC
So what happens when players do what they already do, and just blow your sorry ass up in under ~15 seconds thereby leaving the NPCs no chance to defend you?
DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#124 - 2014-06-03 02:13:24 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
So what happens when players do what they already do, and just blow your sorry ass up in under ~15 seconds thereby leaving the NPCs no chance to defend you?


Players do to me? I thought I was a player myself, ain't I? I can deal with defeat. That's one of the reasons I dont bend the head and join a tribe of bullies who cannot. If is a fair combat I don't have a problem in losing. Of course I rather win but I take things very sporty spirit. My sorry ass has being blown in many ways. Sometimes even cause the other dude was better than me, but most times I chase them away and then another batch comes and the first group heals. Sometimes I can destroy some of them but my fits are never for PvP as those encounters usually are not wanted or welcomed. So the options are joining with people I really don't like or lose. I am very slowly finding those guys who have something between their ears but I gave up long ago the idea of my gang being competitive. You just have to fly around and look at peoples bios, listen the local chats in most market hubs or just see the tendencies that the mass prefer: Griefing, ganking minners, bumping minners, showing of like high turkies in a barn, just look at the names that dont even start with a capital letter, the stetics in their toons, the rudeness in the posts here in forums.

So why don't I leave EvE if I am so unconfortable with my fellow companions of game? Because I know this game was made for me and not for the hordes of ******** who destroy for grief 10 Vs one and dare to have the arrogance of saying is because the poor dude was not prepared, don't understand the complications of the game and BS (does not stand for battleship this time) like that.

I just tried to melt your brain with so many words, I admit it.

What did you say about CODE?

DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#125 - 2014-06-03 02:19:11 UTC
In the event the contractor dies the escort should continue fighting as they are autonomous as we already stated. But once more, this is my opinion and I could change it if I hear anything better.

What did you say about CODE?

Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#126 - 2014-06-03 02:20:21 UTC
DHuncan wrote:


I just tried to melt your brain with so many words, I admit it.

It's not the quantity of the words you used, it's the order you placed them in.
Doctor Nakajima
Long John Silver.
#127 - 2014-06-04 01:15:19 UTC
Hmm I see a lot of negativity here. Some quotations that are twisted or incomplete to misslead the point. I have seen two or three like this:

Ramona McCandless wrote:
DHuncan wrote:
I think we all agree


You think incorrectly

Please stop it with the "we all think this" type rants

We don't all think anything the same way

Also; hire some mercs if you are that scared of monsters under your bed


But the complete quotation should have been like this:

Quote:
But I think we all agree that they dont need to be beter, nor have more skilled characters, nor being faster witted players not knowing the game deeper... they are only numericly superior... by far.


Dont we all agree that if you are far superior in number the skill or game knoledge doesn't mean much? I would like to know anyone who does not agree on that simple fact.

This is a blatant manipulation with purpose. But quo prodis?

I didnt hear the only sensitive rejection I could understand: "The resources are limited and this unusefull idea would waste server and computer valuable space." But nobody was worried about that. We still have an Incarna clone that moves in HQ 3D accomodations and takes much more memory and we have learned to live with it without more complaints.

Also somebody mention what I think is a key here. Something like "this would steal jobs from 'honest' players". But, wait a minute, if the idea is so stupid and unusefull, why would people use the service instead of the 'much better option'?

Another manipulation I sense is to accuse the OP to try to bend the universe to adapt his needs. Instead the manipulation would be -and already is- to prevent the natural develpoment of a scy-fi worl in order to adapt it to the 'game mechanics' that seem to produce so much beneficts for a part of the community but not to all the community. All New Eden promises is castrated for the sake of insisting it is not real, it is just a game and the game rules are far more important than thelaws of phisics, the logical development of humans in such a situation and a level of technology according to the kind that may travel faster than light.

The only reason for so many restrictions and so many nays is fear.

So I say YES, let's do this. Let's adapt game mechanics to New Eden and not New Eden to the game mechanics.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2014-06-04 01:48:47 UTC
typical male, he's not satisfied with exotic dancers....

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#129 - 2014-06-04 01:51:37 UTC
DHuncan wrote:

the reward we deserve.


Sounds to me like you've been reaping the rewards that you deserve and don't like it very much.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#130 - 2014-06-04 02:23:02 UTC
DHuncan wrote:

So why don't I leave EvE if I am so unconfortable with my fellow companions of game? Because I know this game was made for me and not for the hordes of ******** who destroy for grief 10 Vs one and dare to have the arrogance of saying is because the poor dude was not prepared, don't understand the complications of the game and BS (does not stand for battleship this time) like that.


u sure about that?

CCP advertise the game with the slogan 'Be the villain'. Eve is essentially mad max in space, it is in fact the gankers and pirates that are playing out the ethos of eve. scamming, piracy and theft is not just ok, its encouraged and brings the game publicity.

its not for the guy who likes to play alone, its for players who make friends. Its not for lazy players who refuse to learn, its for players who put the work in, adapt and prepare. By putting more effort in making friends, other players are able to call upon allies in a fight. and why shouldnt they when they've made that effort?

CCP continuously push the ideology of putting the work in urself, standing up for urself and relying on other players for support rather than NPC 's doing all that for u.

What kind of player do u consider urself and what made u think eve was designed for u?

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#131 - 2014-06-04 02:40:54 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
DHuncan wrote:

the reward we deserve.


Sounds to me like you've been reaping the rewards that you deserve and don't like it very much.


No, it is not that. Nottice I said 'we' and not 'me'. I am asking for a force proportional to the effort and dedication players -not just me(at the end yuo guys will get it)- put into their corporations.The same way others gather force by simply gathering players with the same views on life.

That's what I mean by 'we deserve'. If you preffer I may say 'for those who work for it and earn it'.

The only rewards I seek is to enjoy my New Eden experience my own way and not somebody else's way. I asume the risks as whitout risks there would be not that much experience BUT at a reasonable proportion.

When players -not the game's fault at all- seems so bored and so unable to find anything to do but to grief newbies -I am not such-, bumping minners, declaring wars that are more vendettas than war or 'easy pickings assuming confortably there is not honor in EvE -well I have honour and I am part of EvE-, and the miriad of situations we all -yes bitter mama, we all- witness every minute, then is time to give the chance to those who have spent their time and resources in expliring what has being offered to us.

What did you say about CODE?

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#132 - 2014-06-04 03:34:47 UTC
DHuncan wrote:

The only rewards I seek is to enjoy my New Eden experience my own way and not somebody else's way. I asume the risks as whitout risks there would be not that much experience BUT at a reasonable proportion.


u can play how u want, and other players can play how they want. But CCP has designed this game, very much deliberately, to allow other players to interact with u non-consensually. thats the point of the sandbox.

DHuncan wrote:

When players -not the game's fault at all- seems so bored and so unable to find anything to do but to grief newbies -I am not such-, bumping minners, declaring wars that are more vendettas than war or 'easy pickings assuming confortably there is not honor in EvE -well I have honour and I am part of EvE-, and the miriad of situations we all -yes bitter mama, we all- witness every minute, then is time to give the chance to those who have spent their time and resources in expliring what has being offered to us.


If u want to explore areas of the game without putting in the effort to make friends and defend urself, there is the test server

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Vincintius Agrippa
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#133 - 2014-06-04 04:30:47 UTC
I don't see the problem with it. Of course there would be restrictions: cant take into fw complexes. I mean you could as some people suggested hire someone, but tis is eve, and in reality that someone or alliance will at a 90% rate, just take your isk and kill you just for laughs. I could see 3 classes of escorts, high sec rat class companion, clone soldier trainer class escort and last but not least duh duh duh duuuuuuuuh! Incursion rat class escort. All variable in ship class. Will be priced accordingly to fit tier and ship class. Imagine fighting some guy and his sansha vanguard ashimu pen pal. :)
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DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#134 - 2014-06-04 14:57:21 UTC
Mr. Yamato,

I am not trying to stop other players to interact with me nor me being isolated and unable to interact with you. But I still want to keep my right to not let the flow to drag me to a play a style doesnt fit me. I dont see why players having an escort -being NPC or capsuleer- would neither stop other players to develop their style. This may force them to organize better, this may take away some unfair victories they dont deserve, but, oh well, they must be doing something wrong.

Why I say they dont deserve? Because if yur victory is only achieved because numerical superiority and if numbers balance you dont get them anymore, then we are playing here a social game of antisocial behavoir. The more we can gather together, the better we are, is the name of the game. Everything else goes to nothingness? The skills, the knodlege, the hours of experience? Who would really suport that destruction of such a craftmanship of a game? I tell you who: Them.

Mr. Agrippa,

I agree-pa with you one should not expect NPCs make to job for you. This would be called a bot, a macro or just cheationg. Anyone who have read the post should know at this point that has never being the intention of the idea. The NPCs are not ment to fight other NPCs in my plan. I am not discusing here if it would be legit or not. As far as I dream EvE everything should be subordinated to simulate realiti even dou is a fiction even dou it creates unfair situations. Anyway the escorts I am talking here are only wanted -imo- to ballance the unballanced against PvP encounters that exploit the numerical diferences and cowardly pick 'easy targets'. If this is the kind of game we want to develop... I'm out. If, instead, we want to keep exploring this historical -first time ever technology allowed us to do it- creation of a virtual universe, then join me and help me giving back to New Eden the features unrealistic 'game mechanics' are impeding.

What did you say about CODE?

Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#135 - 2014-06-04 16:39:02 UTC
DHuncan wrote:
Mr. Yamato,

I am not trying to stop other players to interact with me nor me being isolated and unable to interact with you. But I still want to keep my right to not let the flow to drag me to a play a style doesnt fit me. I dont see why players having an escort -being NPC or capsuleer- would neither stop other players to develop their style. This may force them to organize better, this may take away some unfair victories they dont deserve, but, oh well, they must be doing something wrong.


Because you don't seem to understand the amount of stuff I could RUIN for other people using these things.
Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#136 - 2014-06-04 16:53:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Saisin
DHuncan wrote:
...The more we can gather together, the better we are, is the name of the game...

I believe it is also called lemmingry Big smile

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#137 - 2014-06-04 18:07:43 UTC
DHuncan wrote:
Mr. Yamato,

I am not trying to stop other players to interact with me nor me being isolated and unable to interact with you. But I still want to keep my right to not let the flow to drag me to a play a style doesnt fit me. I dont see why players having an escort -being NPC or capsuleer- would neither stop other players to develop their style. This may force them to organize better, this may take away some unfair victories they dont deserve, but, oh well, they must be doing something wrong.

Why I say they dont deserve? Because if yur victory is only achieved because numerical superiority and if numbers balance you dont get them anymore, then we are playing here a social game of antisocial behavoir. The more we can gather together, the better we are, is the name of the game. Everything else goes to nothingness? The skills, the knodlege, the hours of experience? Who would really suport that destruction of such a craftmanship of a game? I tell you who: Them.


getting that numerical superiority is work, yes they deserve that benefit.

skills still count, so does piloting ability. u just have to be good if u want to fight out gunned and still win.

solo players can and do take on gangs. so numbers count, but they arent everything.

what ur asking for is to have more power while still being crap at the game. And theres nothing that stops gangs flying with npc escorts and using them to outnumber u even more.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#138 - 2014-06-04 19:15:48 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
DHuncan wrote:
Mr. Yamato,

I am not trying to stop other players to interact with me nor me being isolated and unable to interact with you. But I still want to keep my right to not let the flow to drag me to a play a style doesnt fit me. I dont see why players having an escort -being NPC or capsuleer- would neither stop other players to develop their style. This may force them to organize better, this may take away some unfair victories they dont deserve, but, oh well, they must be doing something wrong.


Because you don't seem to understand the amount of stuff I could RUIN for other people using these things.


Go ahead. But first gain the chits. Aha!

What did you say about CODE?

DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#139 - 2014-06-04 19:22:45 UTC
I mean, really dudes, read the post before posting. I refuse to explain the same thing over and over.

Having numerical superiority is work? Deserves the power derived of such? Ok I dont ask to take any power from anyone. Why solo or small PvEs forced to PvP cannot also have a way to fight back ? Scared, bad boys? Whatcha gunna do wen we come for you?

What did you say about CODE?

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#140 - 2014-06-04 19:24:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
what stops u from fighting back when ur PvE'ing?

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs