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Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#41 - 2014-06-03 22:25:41 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Mr Pragmatic wrote:
Yes sentry drones where nerfed. Sucks I know. But all the other drones are doing swell.


Also, remember how CCP stated that you will be able to fly today what you flew before?
I don't have any Amarr Drone Spec skills, because I did not need them for perfect sentry drone skills.
Now, I can't use T2 version at all.

CCP lied.


Oh Dinsdale, they never said that about this change.

Even still, it was pretty obviously clear in the dev blogs leading up to this release that you needed to train those drone spec skills to retain use of T2 sentries. So where's the problem here?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2014-06-03 22:33:45 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Mr Pragmatic wrote:
Yes sentry drones where nerfed. Sucks I know. But all the other drones are doing swell.


Also, remember how CCP stated that you will be able to fly today what you flew before?
I don't have any Amarr Drone Spec skills, because I did not need them for perfect sentry drone skills.
Now, I can't use T2 version at all.

CCP lied.

As prolific as you are on these forums I'd have thought you of all people would have noticed that.
I knew months ago that this was going to happen and had more than adequate time to prepare for it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2014-06-03 22:36:51 UTC
And that clearly doesn't apply to scenarios where you can either very easily regain the ability to use something you couldn't before by training a skill to level 1 or level 2 (yeah, navy battleships had their skill requirement go from level 1 to 2 in Odyssey, don't you remember?) or where so few people are affected it's unlikely to be a huge deal (losing the ability to use T2 drone link amplifiers because of having CDO 5 but not SDO 5).

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-06-03 22:38:42 UTC
never thought i will say this.... so many fanboys...

CCP failed at their rule 'what you can use before the change you will can use after'. T2 drones, one of T2 drone module and it is only first day after expansion.
And what we see here? "LoL Dinsdale!".... Shocked

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Jiris Yusef
Ashtani
#45 - 2014-06-04 02:24:26 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
Jiris Yusef wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
What?!?

You would think they would have put changes like that in a blog post or something. CCP has a lot of nerve.

Roll



You realize that nowhere in the dev blog does it say that your DPS will be decreased right? They rebalanced things by giving sentries more base damage and scaling them with racial specialization skills along with the reduction of the Drone Interfacing nerf. These changes were suppose to balance each other out and not actually result in a loss of DPS.

Yet the changes result in a loss of about 75 dps when using T2 sentries, which was NOT stated in the dev blog. And if you didn't have each of the 4 racial drone specializations trained up to 5 then you get even more of a damage loss, making you train 80 days of skills to still not get back the damage sentries lost in this patch.

Read the part on sentrys. They removed the 20% damage bonus of t2 over t1 and replaced it with the 2% damage increase per level fort he racial specialization skills. So if you have those at level 5, it's a 10% damage nerd to sentrys.

It was pretty clear on this, which you've seemed to have read but didn't agree with?



The way they worded it in the blog makes it sound like you're not actually losing DPS but that they're just re-balancing the way sentries scale and the variance between T1 and T2, making it sound as if for instance you have Gallente Drone Spec V then your Garde II's will do the same damage they did. When in practice even if you train this ~20 day skill to V you're still taking a hit in DPS.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#46 - 2014-06-04 03:08:28 UTC
So take the 2 hours or so and train up all the drone racial skills to level 1, and you can use your t2 sentries again. Should have had them trained anyway if you ever used lights, mediums, or heavies.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2014-06-04 07:28:05 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
Have you looked at the range of your Garde's?


Yeah but since the UI tells more lies than the station hobo, I'm skeptical Lol
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#48 - 2014-06-04 08:18:21 UTC
Jiris Yusef wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
What?!?

You would think they would have put changes like that in a blog post or something. CCP has a lot of nerve.

Roll



You realize that nowhere in the dev blog does it say that your DPS will be decreased right? They rebalanced things by giving sentries more base damage and scaling them with racial specialization skills along with the reduction of the Drone Interfacing nerf. These changes were suppose to balance each other out and not actually result in a loss of DPS.

Yet the changes result in a loss of about 75 dps when using T2 sentries, which was NOT stated in the dev blog. And if you didn't have each of the 4 racial drone specializations trained up to 5 then you get even more of a damage loss, making you train 80 days of skills to still not get back the damage sentries lost in this patch.


Your dps will be restored as soon as I get round to farming up some dread gurista drone damage amplifiers and you get around to paying me.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#49 - 2014-06-04 09:04:32 UTC
I distinctly remember the drone blog came out the 1st of april.

also this is one hell of a nice expantion, and only half the planned stuff for it has been released. were still waiting for the giant mofo industry overhaul.

also the peospect is too a ship you hack. cant wait to get into one for ninja c6 gas mining.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#50 - 2014-06-04 09:09:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
This thread is full of uninformed hilariously dumb people.

Yes Garde got a small damage reduction but gained in other stats, other sentries got a massive dps buff and yet others got a massive tracking buff. Just because one sentry type (the most silly one) got a slight damage reduction doesn't mean that "sentries are nerfed", all it means is that we now have 4 good and viable sentry types at the "cost" of slightly lowered paper dps from the most silly one.

Stop the hyperbole nonsense, get informed. Or just shut up, that also works.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#51 - 2014-06-04 09:24:39 UTC
My Rattler now scratches the 1400dps mark... (¬‿¬)

Can't complain.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#52 - 2014-06-04 12:16:58 UTC
Adira Nictor wrote:
Ill be honestly I am so very very happy with my gila right now, I can't complain about sentries.


I dabbled with the new Gila a bit on the test server but not much because I was playing with the modrus ships and other things mostly. Last night was the 1st time I put serious time into using it for PVE stuff. Couldn't find any augmented drones so I used tech 2.

It was literally like launching self aware assault frigs from my ship lol. It was crazy, even with my only slightly above mediocre drone skills on the character I was using, it was tearing stuff up and i didn't lose a single drone. It's awesome.
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