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EVE's "No Fight" Culture

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#161 - 2014-06-03 19:14:18 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I think I get where Ramona is coming from. I did not realize that he was in a corp that bears his own name. The poor guy seems to fly stealth bombers and still has 6 losses and no kills. Understandably, someone with that kind of skill in game will be adverse to the idea of fair odds.

Well, Ramona how about this. I can show you a few things like I showed Sibyyl if you want. I can definitely help you improve those survival skills you speak so highly of.


You seem gender confused

Also, all those losses were in fights I couldnt win

How else do you think I turned against your playstyle and decided survival was better than waste?

A person cannot comment on what they have not experienced and expect to make a sensible point of view heard

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#162 - 2014-06-03 19:19:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Ramona McCandless wrote:


You seem gender confused

Also, all those losses were in fights I couldnt win

How else do you think I turned against your playstyle and decided survival was better than waste?d



I know that is exactly why you turned against other playing styles, I don't have to think it. You have lost 6 times to 1v1 fights, and could benefit from better understanding of general aggression mechanics.


Edit: Probably should have said "encounters" since you got lul smartbombed by a battleship :P

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#163 - 2014-06-03 19:25:18 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


You seem gender confused

Also, all those losses were in fights I couldnt win

How else do you think I turned against your playstyle and decided survival was better than waste?d



I know that is exactly why you turned against other playing styles, I don't have to think it. You have lost 6 times to 1v1 fights, and could benefit from better understanding of general aggression mechanics.


Edit: Probably should have said "encounters" since you got lul smartbombed by a battleship :P


And how exactly would doing things your way have saved me from that?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#164 - 2014-06-03 19:28:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Ramona McCandless wrote:


And how exactly would doing things your way have saved me from that?



Umm... it's a little hard to explain in a forum post. But you might like eve better if you had the skill set to PVP and have some success with it. Be it 1v1 or in a fleet.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#165 - 2014-06-03 19:32:06 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


And how exactly would doing things your way have saved me from that?



Umm... it's a little hard to explain in a forum post. But you might like eve better if you had the skill set to PVP and have some success with it. Be it 1v1 or in a fleet.


I dont think its really possible to 1v1 a smartie BS thats on a gate I just landed at in an SB, but cool whatever.

I DID learn to scout it first instead to reduce the possibility of it happening again

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#166 - 2014-06-03 19:33:45 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


And how exactly would doing things your way have saved me from that?



Umm... it's a little hard to explain in a forum post. But you might like eve better if you had the skill set to PVP and have some success with it. Be it 1v1 or in a fleet.


I dont think its really possible to 1v1 a smartie BS thats on a gate I just landed at in an SB, but cool whatever.

I DID learn to scout it first instead to reduce the possibility of it happening again



Well yea... scouting is step one. Roll

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#167 - 2014-06-03 19:36:01 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

Well yea... scouting is step one. Roll

Then wait till they dissipate or go around via another route

Simples

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#168 - 2014-06-03 19:41:48 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

Well yea... scouting is step one. Roll

Then wait till they dissipate or go around via another route

Simples



What is the saying... the god's favor the willfully ignorant?

No wait, that can't be right... Blink


I can take you through low sec in a shuttle and be impervious to attack. I can do the same through most of null, and with a stealth bomber most certainly. You might die if we run into a PL camp, but besides that the universe is mine. But since you think the end game is "Scout and wait for them to dissipate" I guess you will never really know will you? Straight

Maybe you should stop posting in this thread and let people who actually know what they are talking about speak a little.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#169 - 2014-06-03 19:45:15 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

I can take you through low sec in a shuttle and be impervious to attack. I can do the same through most of null, and with a stealth bomber most certainly. You might die if we run into a PL camp, but besides that the universe is mine. But since you think the end game is "Scout and wait for them to dissipate" I guess you will never really know will you? Straight

Maybe you should stop posting in this thread and let people who actually know what they are talking about speak a little.

Just because you say these things do not make them even slightly true

And as there is no "end game", I know you are just making up stuff to feed your ego

I dont think you are going to convince people of your position

And if thats not your purpose with this thread, I dont understand what it is.

You win, happy now?

Have a +1

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#170 - 2014-06-03 19:45:36 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Is this the inevitable end to a game that has an excellent and balanced risk verses reward system...


What excellent and balanced risk versus reward system would you be referring to?

Not today spaghetti.

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#171 - 2014-06-03 19:48:03 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Is this the inevitable end to a game that has an excellent and balanced risk verses reward system...


What excellent and balanced risk versus reward system would you be referring to?



Clearly you do not think so... tell us why sexy cakes!

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#172 - 2014-06-03 19:56:47 UTC
OP just learned that the vast majority of EVE players are risk averse carebears regardless of them living in high, low or null and/or being "fierce" PVPers. Bit slow on that one Praet :P

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#173 - 2014-06-03 19:58:45 UTC
Ya know, Solecist Project has been here every day since this thread started and seemed like a decent guy. For him to have disappeared right after he posted "Client ready" is making me wonder.

I hope I get my fight in hek tonight, Solecist Project. It was your idea after all.

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Marsha Mallow
#174 - 2014-06-03 20:43:47 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Ya know, Solecist Project has been here every day since this thread started and seemed like a decent guy. For him to have disappeared right after he posted "Client ready" is making me wonder.

I hope I get my fight in hek tonight, Solecist Project. It was your idea after all.

Go poke him in the other thread, he seems to be playing with the new clothes. I'd really rather not see his bum anytime soon >.>

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Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Zifrian
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#175 - 2014-06-03 21:20:22 UTC
OP: I see what you meanI don't pvp much but during the time I have, it seems there are two ways most people pvp. Blob or dock/run to pos.

Fleet fights are fun until the structure grinding.....

Best pvp I've found is FW space. I might spend more time there soon.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#176 - 2014-06-03 22:42:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Well...


Solecist Project has officially been poked and appears to be ignoring my hail at this point. I have to say, I am a little bit surprised at this turn of events. I am currently sitting in HEK as requested in the same ship that I fought sibyyl in.



If this does not pan out, Eternum shall fly 38 jumps to a low sec destination reputed to have a pirate who will 1v1 me in an assault frigate. Tune in next time for another adventure!!!!

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OffBeaT
State War Academy
Caldari State
#177 - 2014-06-04 00:14:10 UTC
Cage fighting is the way, just bubble it up and two go in one dont come out, "ill place my bet on me!"

i thought the test server was a very good DM server. P
Winchester Steele
#178 - 2014-06-04 01:03:54 UTC
Greg Erata wrote:
Infiltrate his corp or circle of friends, rob him, gank him, and post all the tears for our amusement (last bit is optional, but highly recommended). That's how you get your guaranteed fights.



I'm telling Uncle Ripard on you.

...

Solecist Project
#179 - 2014-06-04 01:09:51 UTC
Hold on a second!

I told you it's likely I'm busy, because of clothes!
It's not like I'm gone or something!
Poof, magically disappeared!


You can still always find me in Hek
and I'll most likely be less busy then.

Sadly, the new clothing options are far more limited than I hoped. :(

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#180 - 2014-06-04 01:30:02 UTC
I'm pretty much a brand new player who is perhaps 2 weeks old. So far my experience with pvp is simply getting destroyed everytime I try to fight back, and to make matters worse an experienced player was wardec'd my Corporation mostly filled with new players as well. I have lost a Rupture to this guy, and I lost a couple Ventures to other guys by taking risks in danger space.

Mostly the reasons I can think of are this for me:

It takes quite a bit of time putting together all the mods, weapons, ammo, and everything else just to fit whatever ship I have.

Ships cost Isk which doesn't grow on trees for most truly new players (unless they buy a couple PLEX and sell them, or know of ways via friends on how to make Isk fast).

It's frustrating having to wait to max out the appropriate skills for just ONE THING like focusing on frigate dps and skills only for a week or so when I want to do other stuff and explore the game. Basically I don't really want to put all my points into just one thing at first but many to diversify.

I don't really know what I am doing, and the idea of loosing dozens and dozens of ships I have to refit over and over again just to learn seems incredibly frustrating. Not to mention that it also seems REALLY expensive as well.

Lastly, the only true place I know of where I can just start fighting random people would be in nullsec without CONCORD interference, and that means little me is gonna be swimming in the deep end with all the BIG sharks and super maxxed out ships. Doesn't sound promising as a solo player frankly. Even if I was with others atm I'm sure we'd only make a nice snack for some nullsec players.