Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I thought OP quit the game....

I think what actually motivates such people (well, I'm pretty close to them myself Aside from fact that I like to spice those boring activities a little and often solo farm in low/null/wh space as well) is a passion for collecting things. They like to buy different hulls, modules, create rediculously expensive fits with rediculously high dps/res/def numbers in EFT - just for the sake of doing so. It's important part, in fact - they aren't motivated by "fun" of PvP activities itself enough to spend substantional time and money on it (even if they already have billiards of isk).

So one approach to the problem could be creating a selection of rare/restricted luxury items (like clothes, accessories, paints) or even some ships/moduls BPCs that can be aquired only through PvP activities (no way at all to buy it from someone) and used only by those having enough recent kills on killboard. Yes, I know it is "just like in WoW" (btw, I never played it), but in EVE it's not big deal - you will lose your shiny limited edition ship and modules when you are out of luck anyway.

Another one promising approach is by creating an PvP achivement system with clear visual ingame indication of those who aquired such "perks". Like, different color of nickname and playerpic's border when writing in chats, small icons of medals, granted by the system iteself (not by your corp's CEO, who can make you a medal of "Universe Savior" for no reason at all)

And the third approach could be some ingame content restricted only to players intrested in PvP (yes. it's pretty bad approach, but can you suggest something better?) Like, some illegal casinos in pirate space with unique selection of minigames and special luxury prizes you can't aquire in any other way. Or some new professions (like assasin of sort, able to strike even those, who never leave the station, from time to time).

I have to reiterate on one thing: you'll probably won't be able to make those you call "carebears" intrested in PvP enough just by making these activities more profitable. Those people don't need isks, they have enough of them already. The problem is you can't spend it any other way but on buying some ships and modules. You have to offer them something you can't buy for any amount of isk, and that thing should be shiny, pompous, pretty, unique, intresting and grant some status to its owner.

Still a better idea than yours.

not to mention that maxing your isk/lp conversion isn't the same as maxing your isk/hour.

Here's the thing I don't get.

"PVE" is "go here, blow this long list of rats up, get small amount of bounty ISK" plus "loot & salvage the wrecks"

"PVP" is "go here, blow this list of reds up, get small amount of bounty ISK" plus "loot & salvage the wrecks".


Why is there so much aversion to shooting another player in the face?

So, if Kruul (for example) would send you loads of hatemail for kidnapping The Damsel (again!) ... more people would PVP?

Well, I can only say for myself.

First, there is that aspect of shooting at some other player, a human. You can laugh as much as you want, but it isn't pleasant thing to do for me. Of course, there are always some jerks I would shoot with pleashure, but shoot some random guy in my local - I just can't find niether reason, nor will to do so. I would rather not I don't hate people so much

Second, you have to spend some time to find some decent PvP. You are obviously don't want to fight some gang while flying solo, and some clown with bonusing alt or/and cloacked falcon. Or just some faction frig you can't handle.

Third, taking into account what was said before, there is just not enough incentive to do it. What will I get from it? While shooting npcs I at least can get some isk (yes. in EVE you can't spent it on some pleasant things you could IRL, but still it's something) And in PvP you are losing ships, and get.. what? Respect from a couple of those who cared to check your killboard? From a couple of your corpmates? Mb (just maybe) loot from a wreck will be worth it (missions and plexing guarantee you some profit)? As for sheer fun of it - for me it isn't enough by itself, I can just logoff and play something else for fun.

So, in the end, PvP gives me nothing that I couldn't get some other way. And this is a problem, from my point of view. It could bring me some isk - and perhaps some forms of it could even bring me much more isk than ratting - but isk is just a dirt in eve, they are worth nothing, not even close to real money. You can buy ship for them and blow something, you can buy other people's time and make them blow something, or you can use it to generate even more isk (by ratting, trading, manufacturing) - there is no meaning in it for me. I can't buy a planet and create some wicked paradise here, I can't start some bold scientific research (no it's not about researching BPOs); well, I could create some academy and teach people to blow things or generate isks yea So isks are no good at all. You should get something you can't buy from PvP to make it worth your time.

As an option, I should be involved in someone's other fight against my will, or someone have to make my - and others - life miserable enough to make hate into the reason. But I just can't willingly accept necessity to spend days staying on timers and lagging in huge battles for hours just to protect some copypaste system what supposedly is my home or something. It doesn't look like something special at all, I can't change it to my tastes, it stays exaclty like any other system in Universe. I don't care about it.
Well, perhaps it's just me, but I can't make myself compete just for the sake of competition. Or for some sum of isks which I can't spend on any sane thing ingame, aside from buying another ship to compete with somebody again. Which is in fact insane, as I see it. This is why I dropped session MMO's, it's their model - you fight to farm money to buy/repair your craft to fight again and farm more money. Supposedly there is fun in it, but repetitiveness kills it quickly.

Humans are contradictory beings Well, may be it's my guilt, this time I'll try to lay it out brief and clear. Yes, ratting guarantee me some isk, and yes isks are dirt. So I collecting dirt, don't ask me why. I need some insignificant amount to pay my bills of course, but mostly I just pile it up in case I'll need them in the future. Perhaps, when PvP will become more lucrative for me, perhaps when some new content will arive which allow to spend isks for something other than things for destruction and things for building those things.

So I don't need more isks, I'm mostly okay with what I getiing from ratting. And I don't want to engage in some PvP activities just for the sake of isks - it's not guaranteed this way, and there is aforementioned psychological barrier which I often have to break before I shoot someone.

And here is a problem, probably. I'm not sociopathic enough, but I'm definetely not a social person either. I don't make friends easly. And for adrenaline rushes - I have enough of them while ratting in lows/nulls/whs from time to time.

When I talked about something I coudn't buy for money, I mostly meant some ingame content, be it some fancy social stuff like accesories, or clothes (of course, we need something like WiS to be live and popular, to add some sense to those), or some unique, special gameplay content you can't get any other way but through PvP.

There is nothing wrong with EVE in general, it just I can't be satisfied with just competing and blowing up things for the sake of it. I want to create things, or be a part of some great initiative struggling to create something, but in EVE you can only create social communities, and moslty to fight others such communities - and this is what I actually don't intrested enough into. EVE lacks some purely constructive paths, like path of true scientist, or artisan of sort (it can be played with some metagaming, but occasions are rare and it's not so fun as it could be if supported by game mechanics); even space explorers became simple resource gatherers for war machine, and manufacturers just needed only to serve its needs.

I can't fight a war for some meaningless part of space, or only for glory, I need to have some affection to the place I stand for. But I can't have it because all the places in EVE are barely distinguishable, I can't call any of them "my home". You can't design your space, you can't find here some little things you like and which can't be found somewhere else (aside from purely numerical, like isk/hour, and amounts expensive moon goo ) - it's just totaly generic.

I'm staying in EVE mostly hoping that some day CCP will deliver such experince, that WiS isn't dead, that we some day will land on planets some way or another. I have nowhere to go, 'cause I lost interest in mmos long time ago, EVE is only exception, because it still bring some hope to this industry. Thats why I just rat and wait