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EVE's "No Fight" Culture

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#141 - 2014-06-03 11:54:44 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

I do however see allot of helpless PVE boats there, if that is what you are referring to... that does not count. You are just hunting lambs... that is not a roll of the dice.


I was expecting this. Of course there are, they're targets too. I don't stop and check how a ship is fit before I engage it, though, because as you would say, that would be 'unfair'. Actually, it's because when I see a target or targets, I just go after them, like the small gang I engaged solo in Danera recently that nearly beat me using a Merlin, Thrasher, Coercer, and Myrmidon vs my Ishkur. Not all at once, the Thrasher pilot reshipped to the Coercer, so it was three on one at one stage. When it was the Coercer and Myrmidon, I actually got in a bit of a jam with my ancil and nearly died. It was a very long, arduous, and exciting fight.

You can pick at the details of the kills all you want. I could pick at the details of many of yours, as well. The point is, you accused me of risk aversion, I imagine as an attempt to save face by causing me 'butthurt'. But this is little more than a childish insult and until you've fought me yourself, you'll never really know, will you, and because I don't really care whether you do or not, or your opinion of me either way, that's entirely on you. My allies who fly by my side, my enemies who die to my guns, and the rookies I train (I could name a few 2014s in RIGID that I reckon would beat you hands down 1v1), know what I'm capable of, and even that doesn't matter much to me because at the end of the day, I'm still enjoying the game.

I'm still enjoying the fight.

While you're here complaining about not getting any.

Really, I don't even know why I bother because that's all entirely your problem.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2014-06-03 13:55:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Sibyyl
So when is the fight with Sol? Also fighting Sol in Hek is like playing the Bulls in Chicago.. you should try it for the challenge.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Solecist Project
#143 - 2014-06-03 16:33:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Did someone say Chicago?


CM PUNK!
CM PUNK!
CM PUNK!


BEST IN THE WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRLLLLLLLLDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! \o/

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Solecist Project
#144 - 2014-06-03 16:53:21 UTC
Client ... is ready!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#145 - 2014-06-03 17:17:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Ok logged in and heading out now.

Dun! Dun!! Dunn!!!!


Note: I am on call and can be called back to work at any time.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#146 - 2014-06-03 17:46:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Solecist Project wrote:
Client ... is ready!



I hadn't realized until now that you are a -9.8 suicide ganker alt born 3/28/14 of this year. Are you planning on fighting me with another toon?



Edit:

You don't appear to be online, so poke me whenever. I thought that client ready meant that you were ready. See ya in a bit.

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Ashwind Houssa
Therapists Inc
#147 - 2014-06-03 17:47:50 UTC
As a new player, who actually wants to engage in pvp, I have learned the hard way to never allow someone else to engage me.

Aside from a couple of lucky kills, every fight has been a face rolling. Any time another player is willing to engage they have already decided that they have a chance. Which means I have none.

PVP for new players is completely one sided and pointless. You might be able to kill an AFKer but thats about it. Unless you want to fleet up and go beat up on solo players.

12 on 1 is the eve way. Courage in new eden is a myth, because bravery just allows 20 cowards to wait for you. Then you get told to get good.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#148 - 2014-06-03 17:49:10 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Client ... is ready!



I hadn't realized until now that you are a -9.8 suicide ganker alt born 3/28/14 of this year. Are you planning on fighting me with another toon?


Lol don't tell me you are scared?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#149 - 2014-06-03 17:50:37 UTC
Ashwind Houssa wrote:
Courage is a myth, because bravery = stupidity and just allows 20 smarter fighters to wait for you.


FTFY

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Ashwind Houssa
Therapists Inc
#150 - 2014-06-03 18:12:36 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ashwind Houssa wrote:
Courage is a myth, because bravery = stupidity and just allows 20 smarter fighters to wait for you.


FTFY


You didn't fix anything. You merely illustrated my point.

Eve allows cowards to lie in wait and mug people. Because they lack the balls to be a criminal in real life, they do it in New Eden and pretend they are hard.

Nothing wrong with being that guy, but at least be self aware enough to properly judge yourself.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#151 - 2014-06-03 18:19:53 UTC
Ashwind Houssa wrote:

You didn't fix anything. You merely illustrated my point.

Eve allows cowards to lie in wait and mug people. Because they lack the balls to be a criminal in real life, they do it in New Eden and pretend they are hard.

Nothing wrong with being that guy, but at least be self aware enough to properly judge yourself.


Your point was that stupidity is a virtue? Um ok, whatever you say Jack, your the master race lol

Oh and "Eve allows cowards to lie in wait and mug people. Because they lack the balls to be a criminal in real life"

So... if me and three others mug you when you dont expect it, that's brave now?

Can't wait to hear your backtrack and regurgitation on this

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#152 - 2014-06-03 18:22:21 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ashwind Houssa wrote:

You didn't fix anything. You merely illustrated my point.

Eve allows cowards to lie in wait and mug people. Because they lack the balls to be a criminal in real life, they do it in New Eden and pretend they are hard.

Nothing wrong with being that guy, but at least be self aware enough to properly judge yourself.


Your point was that stupidity is a virtue? Um ok, whatever you say Jack, your the master race lol

Oh and "Eve allows cowards to lie in wait and mug people. Because they lack the balls to be a criminal in real life"

So... if me and three others mug you when you dont expect it, that's brave now?

Can't wait to hear your backtrack and regurgitation on this



Funny that is not at all what I got from his post. Big smile

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#153 - 2014-06-03 18:23:55 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ashwind Houssa wrote:

You didn't fix anything. You merely illustrated my point.

Eve allows cowards to lie in wait and mug people. Because they lack the balls to be a criminal in real life, they do it in New Eden and pretend they are hard.

Nothing wrong with being that guy, but at least be self aware enough to properly judge yourself.


Your point was that stupidity is a virtue? Um ok, whatever you say Jack, your the master race lol

Oh and "Eve allows cowards to lie in wait and mug people. Because they lack the balls to be a criminal in real life"

So... if me and three others mug you when you dont expect it, that's brave now?

Can't wait to hear your backtrack and regurgitation on this



Funny that is not at all what I got from his post. Big smile


Well he was agreeing with you, and your point is "bravery" (ie fighting with no chance of victory) is a virtue, so yeah, it is what he was saying

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Zurin Arctus
Trauma Ward
#154 - 2014-06-03 18:28:24 UTC
If you want a game about fun spaceship combat, I suggest you look into Elite: Dangerous or Star Citizen.

EVE is all metagame. PvP in this game is ruled by several completely broken mechanics, but most of the active combat pilots are so incredibly fixated on the metagame - whether it be getting the best numbers on a killboard or the desire to upset people they don't know - they don't even notice the imbalance.

If you're complaining about broken gameplay mechanics or poor player attitude, clearly you're just bad at the (meta)game and mad about it. I suggest joining a major powerbloc and training Logistics to 5.
Ashwind Houssa
Therapists Inc
#155 - 2014-06-03 18:38:41 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Your point was that stupidity is a virtue? Um ok, whatever you say Jack, your the master race lol

Oh and "Eve allows cowards to lie in wait and mug people. Because they lack the balls to be a criminal in real life"

So... if me and three others mug you when you dont expect it, that's brave now?

Can't wait to hear your backtrack and regurgitation on this


Bravery is a virtue.

You may equate bravery with stupidity, but it is not so.

No the point about mugging is that people do it in Eve because there is no blowback. Being a coward in real life has serious drawbacks. Not so in New Eden.

Again, I don't have an issue with it, I would just like to see the guys who are such flaming cowards to actually acknowledge their own position.

Then again, expecting a tear harvester to try and understand adult concepts like integrity and bravery is a bridge too far. My bad. Should have remembered where I am.

None of you guys like people pointing out how weak and pathetic you are, because if you had to admit it to yourself you just might have a bad day.

But have no fear, you can show everyone your power by ganking a freighter. That will let them know whos boss.

Ashwind Houssa
Therapists Inc
#156 - 2014-06-03 18:40:57 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
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Well he was agreeing with you, and your point is "bravery" (ie fighting with no chance of victory) is a virtue, so yeah, it is what he was saying


Bravery is not merely fighting without chance of victory.

You should not attempt to speak down to people if you cannot define simple words.

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#157 - 2014-06-03 18:54:23 UTC
Back on topic!!!!



I am still waiting for Solecist Project to log in and get all his friends together to suicide gank me and smart bomb my pod. After which the theme of this thread can continue, with a low sec meeting with Mr. Remiel Pollard

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#158 - 2014-06-03 18:55:28 UTC
Ashwind Houssa wrote:

Bravery is a virtue.
You may equate bravery with stupidity, but it is not so.


Its how you just defined it! And I was using your definition when you were talking down to me from your ivory tower, so try not to be such a hypocrit.


Ashwind Houssa wrote:
No the point about mugging is that people do it in Eve because there is no blowback. Being a coward in real life has serious drawbacks. Not so in New Eden.

Again, I don't have an issue with it, I would just like to see the guys who are such flaming cowards to actually acknowledge their own position.

Again, what's wrong with being a survivor? If you think cowardice is not a virtue, that's your look out, but Id rather be alive and in good health than dead for no good reason. If thats cowardice, this coward will bury the brave, thanks.

Please tell me how being a survivor is bad in real life and how your real life example compares to this game.

Ashwind Houssa wrote:
Then again, expecting a tear harvester to try and understand adult concepts like integrity and bravery is a bridge too far. My bad. Should have remembered where I am.
None of you guys like people pointing out how weak and pathetic you are, because if you had to admit it to yourself you just might have a bad day.
But have no fear, you can show everyone your power by ganking a freighter. That will let them know whos boss.


How am I a tear harvester? Citation needed.

And Im weak, so you attempting to bully me makes you brave and strong does it? Get real for a second and listen to yourself.

Why would I want to gank a frieghter? Id automatically lose my ship, which is what a coward would never do.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Ashwind Houssa
Therapists Inc
#159 - 2014-06-03 19:09:56 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ashwind Houssa wrote:

Bravery is a virtue.
You may equate bravery with stupidity, but it is not so.


Its how you just defined it! And I was using your definition when you were talking down to me from your ivory tower, so try not to be such a hypocrit.


Ashwind Houssa wrote:
No the point about mugging is that people do it in Eve because there is no blowback. Being a coward in real life has serious drawbacks. Not so in New Eden.

Again, I don't have an issue with it, I would just like to see the guys who are such flaming cowards to actually acknowledge their own position.

Again, what's wrong with being a survivor? If you think cowardice is not a virtue, that's your look out, but Id rather be alive and in good health than dead for no good reason. If thats cowardice, this coward will bury the brave, thanks.

Please tell me how being a survivor is bad in real life and how your real life example compares to this game.

Ashwind Houssa wrote:
Then again, expecting a tear harvester to try and understand adult concepts like integrity and bravery is a bridge too far. My bad. Should have remembered where I am.
None of you guys like people pointing out how weak and pathetic you are, because if you had to admit it to yourself you just might have a bad day.
But have no fear, you can show everyone your power by ganking a freighter. That will let them know whos boss.


How am I a tear harvester? Citation needed.

And Im weak, so you attempting to bully me makes you brave and strong does it? Get real for a second and listen to yourself.

Why would I want to gank a frieghter? Id automatically lose my ship, which is what a coward would never do.



My definition of bravery had no implication of stupidity. You inferred it, and then ran with it. Not my fault that you can't see that.

You would rather be a slave then a corpse? I pity you.

When someone speaks against you, that is not bullying. Take your persecution complex somewhere else child.

But thanks for the laugh. I love watching idiots try and defend their behaviour without even understanding my line of argument.

When you can perceive, then we will converse, until then, you should just lace up your boots, some might be coming to take your stuff, and you better be ready to head for the hills.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#160 - 2014-06-03 19:12:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
I think I get where Ramona is coming from. I did not realize that he was in a corp that bears his own name. The poor guy seems to fly stealth bombers and still has 6 losses and no kills. Understandably, someone with that kind of skill in game will be adverse to the idea of fair odds.



Well, Ramona how about this? I can show you a few things like I showed Sibyyl if you want. I can definitely help you improve those survival skills you speak so highly of.

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