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At last! A fair, balanced debate on Climate Change!
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#81 - 2014-06-03 01:09:34 UTC
So, seems America just lurched forwards a little in dealing with its dirty coal powerstations.
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#82 - 2014-06-03 01:19:16 UTC  |  Edited by: digitalwanderer
baltec1 wrote:
So, seems America just lurched forwards a little in dealing with its dirty coal powerstations.



The 30% reduction by 2030?...Yeah I saw that too, but it still isn't enough since we dump 30 billion tons of CO2 every year, which is 5 times higher than what the we used to in 1960, so it's still better than nothing but for the climate to change in the long run, then no.


Being that china has the largest coal deposits on the planet and a lot of it's plants are coal powered....
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#83 - 2014-06-03 02:10:10 UTC  |  Edited by: digitalwanderer
And it begins:


http://www.dailytech.com/US+Lawmakers+Eye+EV+Taxes+Fees+as+Gas+Tax+Revenue+Drops+on+Fuel+Efficiency+Gains/article34993.htm


Seems with the aggressive push towards better fuel economy to reduce pollution, states are starting to worry about fuel tax income already dropping and wondering if the government went too far, and to the point it may disappear in the long term as more pure electric and hybrid cards will be on the roads by mid century, and that tax is used to finance public transportation efforts and maintain state highways to boot....
Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2014-06-03 06:57:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Matilda Cecilia Fock
digitalwanderer wrote:
(...)

So it's a powder keg just waiting for a detonator to set it off sooner or later as it continues it's build up politically, economically and militarily, and pollution isn't a high priority unless it's a public event to save face.


As I said, Chinese environmental issues are massive, and it's a densely populated country. Losing 40% of their farmlands is no joke, and then mind this: some of those lands had been exploited continuosly for 7,000 years and now are literally gone forever.

Floods, sandstorms, salinization, desertification, pollution of every sort (air/water/land), China's disasters are as massive as the population. They can't bury their heads in the sand the American way nor pretend it's a PR issue.

Q: Should we be worried? A: Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or Xhagen leaves.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2014-06-03 08:04:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
baltec1 wrote:
I have worked at nissan and got to talk with some lads from their R&D and there are some very interesting things on the way. Expect self cleaning paint and "transparent metal" rather than glass. There is also work being done on carbon scrubbers and fuel cells.

yeah but how long until this tech gets cheap enough to be used in smaller, cheap cars that anyone can buy? One of the issues I had and still have with hybrid vehicles is that you get less "car" for the price they ask for. There are a few, rare exceptions like the Insight, but it's also a kinda big car for a very tiny powerplant.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#86 - 2014-06-03 09:17:49 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I have worked at nissan and got to talk with some lads from their R&D and there are some very interesting things on the way. Expect self cleaning paint and "transparent metal" rather than glass. There is also work being done on carbon scrubbers and fuel cells.

yeah but how long until this tech gets cheap enough to be used in smaller, cheap cars that anyone can buy? One of the issues I had and still have with hybrid vehicles is that you get less "car" for the price they ask for. There are a few, rare exceptions like the Insight, but it's also a kinda big car for a very tiny powerplant.


The next few years. The next decade will be a lot of fun for petrol heads.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2014-06-03 10:08:35 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I have worked at nissan and got to talk with some lads from their R&D and there are some very interesting things on the way. Expect self cleaning paint and "transparent metal" rather than glass. There is also work being done on carbon scrubbers and fuel cells.

yeah but how long until this tech gets cheap enough to be used in smaller, cheap cars that anyone can buy? One of the issues I had and still have with hybrid vehicles is that you get less "car" for the price they ask for. There are a few, rare exceptions like the Insight, but it's also a kinda big car for a very tiny powerplant.


The next few years. The next decade will be a lot of fun for petrol heads.

I really hope soCool

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#88 - 2014-06-03 14:32:14 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
jason hill wrote:
well as im not a parent and have no intention of being or even a grand parent then my answer to this question is fuk em !

and to answer the question of climate change ..the climate allways bloody changes ..has been since the earth was formed and will still do long after we as humans will have died out .


uh huh. but why does it happen? look at the history.

it happens when co2 increases or decreases. that can happen for a lot of reasons. in the past it happened because of various natural causes. like volcanism. changing habitats. why is it happening now? ...where's all the co2 coming from? us. industry. fossil fuel consumption. deforestation. that last one will be the real killer. because forests and plant life in general use c02. so we are removing the things that breathe co2 and put out oxygen...and building more industry creating more co2.

*"duh" headsmack*



Actually trees are our most renewable resource. There are hybrid poplar farms that can cut 10 acres a day while they have 10 acres that come into maturity, every day. This makes paper very cheap; add in recycling and there is no reason we can not reforest much of the deforested lands. We just need to just start planting.
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#89 - 2014-06-03 14:55:23 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
jason hill wrote:
well as im not a parent and have no intention of being or even a grand parent then my answer to this question is fuk em !

and to answer the question of climate change ..the climate allways bloody changes ..has been since the earth was formed and will still do long after we as humans will have died out .


uh huh. but why does it happen? look at the history.

it happens when co2 increases or decreases. that can happen for a lot of reasons. in the past it happened because of various natural causes. like volcanism. changing habitats. why is it happening now? ...where's all the co2 coming from? us. industry. fossil fuel consumption. deforestation. that last one will be the real killer. because forests and plant life in general use c02. so we are removing the things that breathe co2 and put out oxygen...and building more industry creating more co2.

*"duh" headsmack*



Actually trees are our most renewable resource. There are hybrid poplar farms that can cut 10 acres a day while they have 10 acres that come into maturity, every day. This makes paper very cheap; add in recycling and there is no reason we can not reforest much of the deforested lands. We just need to just start planting.


The rainforests are where it's really crucial. And there is very little in the way of replanting concern as far as I know
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#90 - 2014-06-03 15:46:22 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
So, seems America just lurched forwards a little in dealing with its dirty coal powerstations.



Yup...to return the levels to those of 2005. Which were already dangerously sky high.

It's just another useless gesture. The Ultra Rich must keep up the current paradigm or it all falls apart for them financially. They have bought Congress, literally.

There just is no way out of this "do nothing" situation.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#91 - 2014-06-03 16:27:25 UTC
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
(...)

So it's a powder keg just waiting for a detonator to set it off sooner or later as it continues it's build up politically, economically and militarily, and pollution isn't a high priority unless it's a public event to save face.


As I said, Chinese environmental issues are massive, and it's a densely populated country. Losing 40% of their farmlands is no joke, and then mind this: some of those lands had been exploited continuosly for 7,000 years and now are literally gone forever.

Floods, sandstorms, salinization, desertification, pollution of every sort (air/water/land), China's disasters are as massive as the population. They can't bury their heads in the sand the American way nor pretend it's a PR issue.




That's why they have such a heavy emphasis on trade with other countries, including food and energy since they recently bought a power company that's exploiting the dirty oil in alberta Canada for instance, and automatically gain access to the 2nd largest oil deposit in the world, just behind Saudi Arabia and they don't care if it's dirty oil either,


Just like they're building 3 nuclear plants right now which are third generation pebble lined designs from US based Westinghouse, which are much safer than previous generations since they can't melt down or produce hydrogen explosions at all like fukujima if the cooling fails....They'll be the first country in the world with that latest generation and they have the money for it since they aren't broke, and also built the largest dam in the world, the 3 Gorges dam, at 26 billion dollars.



China can't fix all their issues locally, they make government backed trade deals or buy out entire industries in other countries and import them home with all the money they have.....I don't think they even have a public debt, but have to check that one.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#92 - 2014-06-03 16:43:27 UTC
Dinosaurs were smarter than us. They only had an asteroid or comet to blame, not their own selves. Therefore, we should seek to think and behave more like dinosaurs. Just ask yourself, "What would a dinosaur do?"
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#93 - 2014-06-03 17:00:06 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Just ask yourself, "What would a dinosaur do?"


Try to figure out which museum with the most clout to wind up in. Lol

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#94 - 2014-06-03 18:14:26 UTC
Thank you for the modern world that we live in dinos. Could not have done it without you. Blink

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jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#95 - 2014-06-03 18:40:48 UTC
just had a eureka moment ! if the global temeperatures rise off the scale then just think how much cheaper it would to **** the polar caps for resources its a win win ... we can shoot penguins and polar bears whilst getting cheap oil !!!


whats not to like Twisted
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#96 - 2014-06-03 18:42:19 UTC
Hey, we've already gone thru 5 major extinctions( Permian one was brutal, look it up), and the earth has always been thru them all and survived, so we're number 6 and something else eventually takes over as the dominant species until they too make the same dumb mistakes or hit by an asteroid.
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#97 - 2014-06-03 18:44:18 UTC
jason hill wrote:
just had a eureka moment ! if the global temeperatures rise off the scale then just think how much cheaper it would to **** the polar caps for resources its a win win ... we can shoot penguins and polar bears whilst getting cheap oil !!!


whats not to like Twisted



Only the south pole has land under the ice sheet and can be considered an actual continent.....North pole is nothing but ice top to bottom.
jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#98 - 2014-06-03 18:50:49 UTC
ahhh but conspiracy theorists reckon theres a top secret alien base there ...plus apparently the nzisa have a bolt hole there from WW2

didn't an American fleet pop down there in the 50`s to have a butchers to see ?..... and got there butts kicked !


I seen it on youtube ! IT MUST BE TRUE !!!!!!!!!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#99 - 2014-06-03 19:07:02 UTC
jason hill wrote:
ahhh but conspiracy theorists reckon theres a top secret alien base there ...plus apparently the nzisa have a bolt hole there from WW2

didn't an American fleet pop down there in the 50`s to have a butchers to see ?..... and got there butts kicked !


I seen it on youtube ! IT MUST BE TRUE !!!!!!!!!


Don't be silly, everyone knows they went to the moon.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#100 - 2014-06-03 19:09:28 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:

The rainforests are where it's really crucial. And there is very little in the way of replanting concern as far as I know


Very true, but the ability to grow trees at an accelerated rate is completely possible. So much of Great Britian's deforested land is still sitting treeless and unused. Forests have for eons been destoryed by nature and rebuilt by nature. Why can we not do the same thing? I am not implying that this is an easy or a quick fix, but it is the easiest thing we can do to target the biggest problem. We are not going to deccelerate our fossile fuel use, even though I believe conservation is a smart tactic to utilize.