EVE General Discussion

Yes... that was pretty much my point, and in fact it's not just the perception, the actual charge will be different between those. So thanks I guess. So then where is this imaginary "RL" line?

So here we go again. So the GAME is harsh, but teamspeak is not the game, right (you know, even though peiople join as their characters and such)? So if the same conversation took place on eve-voice it would be acceptable because that IS the GAME, correct?

It was tolerated, not accepted. Speaking of using the right words ...

Like the OP, I'm disappointed and saddened to see Jester end his blog. You could tell that he was struggling with burn out the last several months. Easily understandable with the amount of work he put into trying to make Eve a better place. I wish that he'd taken a 3 month hiatus to recharge his batteries before making a decision.

I suspect that much of his frustration stemmed from serving on the CSM. He may have found that his ability to improve the game ran into a hard wall with the true powers within CCP.

The Erotica episode was Jesters attempt to force CCP to bend to his point of view by using his bully pulpit to rally the Eve membership and game media. Who doesn't think that Jester tried to accomplish the same thing in the privacy of the CSM many times?

I believe Jester goal was to expand the membership base by making Eve more welcoming to new players who decide to stay for a while. A goal we should all have! However, even Jester came to realize that achieving that goal while completely antagonizing a portion of the existing membership base isn't the right strategy. I suspect that's why he stopped his series of articles before his planned grand finale article. And I think that's why he went out of his way to be supportive of a wide variety of candidates for CSM 9.

After the CSM changed hands, Jester was left with his frustrations about new player retention, the viability of small gang warfare & how to make Eve a better place.

TL;DR: And because he has been so influential, he ended up in the place: "If you can't say anything nice - don't say anything at all"


Hopefully his mantle will be picked up by others who see the fun and potential and awesomeness in Eve and know how to inspire that in others. Or maybe Jester will find it again some day.

So now you can't read English.

I bolded the part you missed. Just like in the real world, a one time ill advised sex joke at work isn't 'sexual harassment' without showing a pattern of similar activity directed at the same person (or affecting the same person even if that person isn't the target), what happened in the event in question CANNOT be harassment since it happened once.

Thank you for again proving what I said right: you don't know what you are talking about. Your use of the word harassment is wrong even according to the source you just quoted. You have every right to continue playing the fool , but it's getting silly.

Prove what? That he was never banned or received a warning? Prove that he was given one.
I've actually spoken to the guy (you know, rather than just read Ripards blog and accept it as fact, I made sure to get as many sides of the story from first hand sources as I could), and he's never received a warning or ban for it. He's received 1 unrelated warning for a scam which got deemed as an exploit while he was running it, but that's all.

Lets face it though, there's no way to "prove it" as such, but the fact that GMs and CCP devs responded in the threads about the bonus room and Erotica 1 continue to post in them pretty much proves it beyond a reasonable doubt.

That's really tempting and emotionally it's what I want to do in arguments like this but I try to be more open than that.
So you get the above message.

Damnit To Hell with you and your reasonableness, come back here and argue till someone pulls the plug on the internet damn it.

GRRR........

If he wasn't a CSM member, his opinions wouldn't have been hawk-eyed by gaming websites the like to the degree it was. When you have a person in a position of power publicly throwing around words like "torture" to push their own agenda, that is abuse of their position.

except that doesn't really make sense when ero had been doing nothing more than his business as usual, until ripard blogged about it.

i sincerely doubt it was coincidence that ero got banned shortly after the blog post.

Indeed it is, but it's pretty much beside the point. The point isn't about whether Erotica 1 should or shouldn't have been banned, it was about the way it was pushed and the ramifications of that. If CCP had taken a petition from a victim and deemed it harassment and dished out a ban, or even if a CSM member had brought it up in house and CCP had dished it out, it would have been accepted.

The problem is that Riptard forced their hand by stiring up bad publicity with overly exaggerated buzzwords. Further to that, the banning was retroactive, so it's like "oh, what you did yesterday was fine yesterday but today it's not fine anymore so BAN BAN BAN!". And it's also about what that means going forward. The line appears to have not been moved, so everything that was previously accepted should in theory be accepted going forward, but what happens next time a CSM member chooses to start a witch hunt against someone they hate?