EVE General Discussion

Because what he is complainign is that the current system makes too hard to contest that and too easy to keep control and defend a region you do not even live close by.

The game woudl really get more interesting (peopel that played in 0.0 up to the great bob war time know how it was more interesting) if defending a space would need you to be actively at that space.

Reducing power projection massively is one step. Making sov system based on the economic (and other) activities and not te compeltely artificial hub system is another step.

I for once, think the old POS at moons method was far more interesting.

Imagine if the truesec of a system went down (or up I guess) and ice and asteroid belts became less frequent, the more a system is being 'worked' and then it slowly recovers as activity drops....

Start a corp, we must fight this injustice, I will be happy to join up and help you take back these large areas of 0.0 and make sure others get to enjoy them as well, without renting, but by putting effort into holding their sov.

And where will you be getting your supers from and in such supply that the overlords actually view you as a threat? Wont happen.

Nothing will ever change. If anything, get worse.

I believe this is why ccp has never made new regions available, since they will just be claimed for their moongoo and then rented out. whats the point in that? Not worth new regions imo. Situation sucks as is.

Elite: Dangerous all the way.

Because the whole game is just nullsec. Yeah, right.


Stupid.

Pollution or wars are entirely in the hand of us humans too and they won't stop neither. This is because there are different rules governing individuals or groups. So theoretically you're right, practically not.

Game mechanics lead to organizations behaving as they do.

As long as these don't change we'll come to the same result most of the times.

I agree with this. It was much more interesting then this "shoot several structures which make no sense at all" we have now. Other thing is CCP is implementing stuff which has unforseen consequences. The nerf in moongoo led to the rise of the renter empires. In ye olde days the alliances got their income from that, and you had somewhat more diversity. Take that away, and the alliances look at new ways to get revenue. And such we see large powerblocks take huge swaths of space to rent them out.

One thing which could be done is stop payments to concord. I really see no logical reason why an alliance should pay rent to hold up sov in a region they conquered themselves. Also vastly increasing null sec will help as well.

Thing is, the current mechanics force people to cooperate and organise themself to an level unheard of in other MMORPG's. People in the CFC know to what length Goonswarm went to organise themselves, and when we in 4S joined goons i was quite amazed at the level or organisation. Most alliances i have been in had to organise to a pretty high level, and those who didn't are the ones who dissappeared over time. You can't have an alliance and just go for the lulz if you also want to have sov. The mechanics force you to organise to a (semi) professional level.

CCP seeks the solution in making things harder and more complex, which in turn forces alliances to get more organised. The solution is to make things easier. Not requiring costs to upheld sov is such a method. This would remove the incentive to hold space for renting empires. Going back to the old sov system tied to posses would be another one. If you want people to have fun and happily shoot each other you really shoudl stop forcing them into politics and economics to keep up their empires.

The cynicism is strong with this one.

Game mechanics allow organisations to behave however they like. They don't lead to or cause anything, because the mechanics are a tool - they are there to allow and restrict, not cause.

If a game is setup a certain way it tends to have a certain result. Prisoners dilemma and such. I truly think this is the case here.

But, you're right, cynicism is strong.

Remember how the CFC april fools joke was that rental systems were being created...and then it actually happened.

Also remember when Shadoo suggested we should just all forget about sov altogether, go to one region, de blue each other and shoot each other for fun....and everyone laughed at him he had to quit and become a hermit in the Australian outback or something...and now that also is actually happening.

It's like, some people are clairvoyantly gifted, or something.