Player Features and Ideas Discussion

1) Without further information I can't fully comment on this. Depending on the level of information needed such a situation could be plausible, but since membership of such a corp could boil down to simply existing even if never logging in after the initial app I'm not sure what ways there would be to drive out those that did that.

2) So we're again back to the practical solution being make an alt, since we've established that for those that want the anonymity or don't want to involve their mains in a different corp than current. Which means that for those characters we've accomplished nothing save having a few more alts on the forums in place of these supposedly rare mains in NPC and low count player corps.

3) That "saved work" isn't a real asset in much the same way not being robbed is income. As such it creates no tangible benefit for other areas of development. The efforts of dealing with the likely backlash and fallout regarding such a decision will likely more than make up for any efforts that would have gone into fixing the Bazaar and further.

4) If the forums is gameplay then troll alts and legitimate characters alike should have their access mirrored should they not? If a character can use ships and mod, they should be able to post there, same for Missions, Wormholes, Live events and so on should they mot have access to those boards?

5) Acting on that informaion requires linking that ISD doesn't currently have access to unless I am mistaken, so we still run into it being useless information. Unless something is done to empower the use of that information we still have an issue. Even if they are empowered we create a new issue for spies and awoxers when combined with the potential for volunteer abuse.

6) I have no direct issue with the current state of affairs to address. As such I have no need to make such a thread.

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a) Considering I see nothing to resolve I'm not sure we can come to an agreement there.

b) CAOD access in incomparable to the levels of access you propose. Personally I don't have any desire to post in CAOD, my motivation by exclusion there is nonexistent. For the rest of the forums, I'd be first in line for creating alts/corps to bypass the restriction.

c) That just becomes a means of bullying for unpopular ideas, even if well presented. EvE is full of strong ideas of what it should be and what that can and cannot include. Sometimes correct, sometimes hyperbolic hive mind think. Opposing either will have typical reactions, but those reactions are what gives rise to the desire for anonymity in the first place so we again have incentivised dodging the posting requirements with an alt. As far as CCP's part, that's not moderation, it's exclusion.

d) The evidence of them causing degradation is just as great as the evidence that your suggestion will somehow work. Much like your assumption that the drive to reach the :effort: of obtaining posting rights to the entire forum is in any way comparable in value to that of just CAOD, I'm assuming the opposite, that such effort for the entire forum is considerably more worthwhile and thus likely to be sought, eliminating the primary goal, which is to render trolls unable to post.

e) Again every aspect of this solution can be accomplished without needed your suggestion and better can do so without the fallout and negative elements and culture your suggestion will create and to a degree legitimize.

Siphon's and Mobile Depots and even arguably MTU's seem designed around single player use with personal ownership to allow low number or single player interactions and options where they wouldn't have existed before. As such I don't believe we can call that accurate.

That's simply ridiculous and you know it. Of course we can state that moderated forums need empowered moderators - otherwise we have a glorified "keep off the grass" sign and nothing more.

I shall take your continued refusal to clarify if this is about trolling or you not being able to retaliate against posters you dislike as confirmation of the latter. You're not interested in letting ISD be given the tools, you're not interested in the fact that we have evidence of player corps crapping all over threads, you're not interested in much it seems - save gagging NPC corps. Of course I expect your powerful goonspiracy rebuttal in 5....4....3....

Oh and you forgot tech support from your original list. That's a big oversight.

There is no point in my replying to you any longer.

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So what are your thoughts on player corps train wrecking threads?

What do you suggest we do when trollymctrollcorp (I might even make that, for laughs) pops up and craps all over the forums?

Heck, the top two posts around this as I responded are skill refund whines and nerf threads. Both from player corp members.

Until he found 9 other characters who were also not able to post under those restrictions.

Better than appeal to authority fallacy. Generally speaking I tend not to be impressed with the quality of your posts, either.

That entire prior exchange just goes to prove once again that forum behaviors fueled by the incessant need for 1-upmanship in a contest of witty 1 liners, completely removed from the point and serving only to demonstrate the clutter issue, are just as much started and perpetuated by player corp characters as it is by characters in NPC corps.

This is what degrades the forums. And it's not limited to NPC corp players but is as just demonstrated often further fueled by the erroneous idea that for some reason an otherwise sound post is invalidated by a corp ticker.

If you have an alternative that isn't already in the OP I can place that there.

E: The rest of you awaiting a reply its going to be a day or two.

That's still in OP.

Classic adhominem as well. Almost forgot that, thanks for the reminder.

edit: frankly, you're just further digging your own grave here by making more low-quality posts. Obviously belonging to a player corp doesn't really equate to better posts. As I stated pages ago.

Ouch, I'm not sure if I can sleep at night knowing you don't like me.

No, but I think there's a correlation between a willingness to spam and post stupid ideas and the ease at which you can abandon your own social history.

I've already posted a great deal before hand. 1 - 2 - 3

If there's any reason for a degradation in my posting quality, it's mainly because I have to reiterate my position to people like you Ad nauseam(see I can latinz too, that makes me smartz).