EVE General Discussion

One of my characters got hit by this. I have for the most part been inactive for the last few months, just logging in to train skills while lamenting on where my life went so, so wrong.

I try to keep up with EVE, and read the dev blogs, especially before patches. So naturally, the first thing I did when I read the drone dev blog was put CDO V in the queue for the character that still didn't have it. And that was the end of that, pretty much. By the time I found out about this most recent change, it was too late.

Did I lose anything? No. Did I benefit disproportionately less than others, especially those who keep up with the forums at all times, or those who don't even care about the changes? Yeah, I did. I'm probably not going to miss that 400,000 SP or so in my collective pool of a billion, but it's still unfair, in my eyes, that a reimbursement won't occur (obviously coupled with not receiving the new rank 2 skill along with the free SP; I'm not trying to get a freebie, though everyone should be subject to these same rules).

I don't remember that forum-reading was a requirement for EVE. Nor do I remember the blogs being updated with the new information [edit: within a reasonable amount of time], and/or new, visible announcements being made with regard to the planned changes. I, like others, acted on the information that was available to me, and got punished for it.

I skimmed this thread, and it seems to me that people against the idea of reimbursement use the "speculation" line of reasoning as the basis of their argument. Well, despite changes not being set in stone, acting on those changes with regard to skill training is not speculation. Remember when the BC and destroyer skills got changed? CCP didn't make those announcements while winking and coyly saying "well, it might happen, it might not, who knows?" The message was essentially "n-word, take care of that **** now before it's too late." There's nothing speculative about acting on a skill change that's announced ahead of time for the sole purpose of getting players to act on that information before the change happens.

Anyways, I'm obviously rage-quitting over this, so if you want my stuff, look out for a cargo-expanded freighter on autopilot to Jita.

Where?

Also, does this not imply that CCP is directly responsible (not saying obligated to act on, just responsible) for at least 2 days' worth of SP reimbursement for people who trained CDO V during that period?


If they would have made a new dev blog entry, or referenced the change in a new dev blog, it would have given me a chance. Even then, there would be two days that would be gone forever, plus (within reason) a day or two lost on top of that because it's not rational to think that any person spends all of their waking time refreshing the dev blog page for updates.


I'm not seeking to profit. I just want the playing field to be fair for everyone out of principle. People who acted upon new information immediately were negatively affected in comparison to those who didn't act on the information immediately, both doing what they did within the window of time available before the change was to go live.
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Because the language used in the dev blog made it very clear that this is what CCP intended to do, as opposed to merely proposing a set of features for discussion. I quote:

"We are also splitting the current Combat Drone Operation skill into two new skills, Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation. This means that all light combat drones will now be unlocked and bonused from the Light Drone Operation skill, and medium combat drones will be unlocked and bonused from the Medium Drone Operation skill. During the patch downtime, existing players with the Combat Drone Operation and/or Scout Drone Operation skills trained will receive both new skills trained to a level equal to the highest level that they have in either Combat Drone Operation or Scout Drone Operation."

Notice how that bit doesn't say "we're considering performing a skill split based on feedback." There's a clear statement of intent in the dev blog.


And those people will be better off than even newer players who train drone skills after them. But this red herring is completely irrelevant to this particular issue.


I don't want to be ahead; I want to be even. I don't want the people who didn't act on dev blog information to be ahead of me only because they didn't act immediately. This is not an irrational request.

No profit is being sought. In fact, it's impossible to profit from a forced change that affects everyone equally. And it's not the change that is the problem here, but the lack of communication when that change was edited.

Skill point changes are very specific, and can't be speculated on. Unlike for example market changes, such as when they announce that something will take more or less minerals to build in the future. You can try to speculate on a market change, because the results can be influenced by external, unforeseen factors.


I do want to consider these people. However, there's a marked difference between being penalized for acting on new information immediately, and not acting on any information whatsoever despite that information being available for a very long time. Do you not see how these two things are different?


In fact, a flat reimbursement of the affected skills would be the most fair thing to do. It also would have been the most fair thing to do with the BC and destroyer skills as well. I really feel like all the new players got really shafted on that deal, and I'm saying this as someone who hasn't had to worry about training those skills on any character after those changes went live.


Once again, there's no speculation involved with relation to skill points. This isn't a market change, or a ship/module stat change, or even a skill effect change; it's not a change that can be affected by anything or anyone other than the developers. "Hurry" also depends on the individual. You might not have been in a hurry, but someone whose subscription was going to run out within a few days of the announcement (giving them only enough time to train this skill, or something else) could have been. There are lots of factors to consider aside from your personal convenience factor.


The language used, and the statement of intent expressed in the developer blogs is pretty clear. Asking for feedback at the end doesn't change that at all.

I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
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Thread reopened.

Most likely, someone with a ban was posting with an alt.