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lack of Gal Mil Civil War

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wilgotna
Perkone
Caldari State
#161 - 2014-06-02 00:28:07 UTC
Josclyn Verreuil wrote:
wilgotna wrote:


if i think of calmil i can name 4 good soloists off the top of my head: diana and ibanez, and ibanez freaking quit the militia, qjuu defected and joined gallente (lol), greg01 quit the game as far as i know - this leaves only ONE remaining


Fairly certain that I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen Diana soloing without her links.

That's not solo, wil.

yes it is
Niden
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#162 - 2014-06-02 07:42:40 UTC
wilgotna wrote:
Josclyn Verreuil wrote:
wilgotna wrote:


if i think of calmil i can name 4 good soloists off the top of my head: diana and ibanez, and ibanez freaking quit the militia, qjuu defected and joined gallente (lol), greg01 quit the game as far as i know - this leaves only ONE remaining


Fairly certain that I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen Diana soloing without her links.

That's not solo, wil.

yes it is


That's like saying 2 = 1. The fact of the matter is that there are two ships involved in the engagement, not one - the very definition of solo. People who fly with links and call it solo are just pussies who don't have the balls to fight on a level playing field. It's fine, hell it's EVE, go ahead. But don't you ******* come to me and call it solo.

/N

Moira corp | Villore Accords | Gallente militia |  Lowlife on Crossing Zebras | @Niden_GMVA
Niden
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#163 - 2014-06-02 07:53:53 UTC
Beardon wrote:
These threads tend to go the same way (like this one has): one side compares their best to the other sides worst... A corp/alliance centric Gallente fleet rolling out in doctrine ships vs a kitchen sink fleet pulled together with the dregs of militia pubbies. Of course galmil's best and brightest are way better than our worst and dimmest, but that's not really fair to those in calmil who actually step up. Nor do these types of comparisons don't capture what's actually going on in the warzone. For example, Templis rolls out in doctrine cruiser fleets with decent regularity and have great fights against you guys, but these aren't being taken into account with the galmil circlejerk.

Now, calmil has a much crappier baseline than galmil because we attract a lot more farmer types. But I'm sure all of us can distinguish between pubbies and actual fighting groups, and I really wish that the focus would be on the latter instead of rolling us all into one. You don't really have to make this distinction with galmil because it's a horrible farming militia; Galmil has a much stronger baseline than us in Calmil largely because state pro is just awful. Those who enter state pro to farm with thumbs up their asses shouldn't be taken as a reflection of those who actually learn to roll against the big dogs. Hell, I'm not even denying that galmil's fighting force is better than ours; you guys are pretty damn good at what you do and are probably better in general. I just don't feel that those of us who actually try are being well represented. We're not all farmers you know... Believe it or not, Calmil hates Calmil farmers as much as you guys do. Cry


This was very well said. I sincirely hope Cal Mil culture changes and we get more people like you lot in there. Unfortunately due to physical location and the way missions look currently I don't think we'll see the shift from a farming culture to a martial culture happening until the missions can be balanced. At least you'll have a better chance of cultivating a change then.

/N

Moira corp | Villore Accords | Gallente militia |  Lowlife on Crossing Zebras | @Niden_GMVA
wilgotna
Perkone
Caldari State
#164 - 2014-06-02 08:09:33 UTC  |  Edited by: wilgotna
Niden wrote:
That's like saying 2 = 1. The fact of the matter is that there are two ships involved in the engagement, not one - the very definition of solo. People who fly with links and call it solo are just pussies who don't have the balls to fight on a level playing field. It's fine, hell it's EVE, go ahead. But don't you ******* come to me and call it solo.

/N


thats cool if you dont consider it solo, but i do

take that dude who solod ratting carriers with his nyx... he had like 4 cyno/scout alts + the nyx

does this mean he 5v1 gangbanged the ratter?

did the ratter send him a msg like "wat r u 2 scured 2 fite me solo pu55y?1"
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#165 - 2014-06-02 11:14:03 UTC
wilgotna wrote:


thats cool if you dont consider it solo, but i do

take that dude who solod ratting carriers with his nyx... he had like 4 cyno/scout alts + the nyx

does this mean he 5v1 gangbanged the ratter?

did the ratter send him a msg like "wat r u 2 scured 2 fite me solo pu55y?1"


So solo pvp isn't 1 ship vs. 1 ship it's 1 player vs. 1 player? Does that mean if I use something like ISBoxer to run a "solo" frigate fleet and I kill another ship, does that makes it a solo kill?

Or is it what appears on the killmail? If one day OGB appear on killmails if you're in fleet with them does that mean it's no longer a solo kill, but all the kill priors with OGB were true solo pvp?

Kurilaivonen|Concern
wilgotna
Perkone
Caldari State
#166 - 2014-06-02 12:11:58 UTC  |  Edited by: wilgotna
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
So solo pvp isn't 1 ship vs. 1 ship it's 1 player vs. 1 player? Does that mean if I use something like ISBoxer to run a "solo" frigate fleet and I kill another ship, does that makes it a solo kill?

Or is it what appears on the killmail? If one day OGB appear on killmails if you're in fleet with them does that mean it's no longer a solo kill, but all the kill priors with OGB were true solo pvp?

id define solo as 1 combat ship

as for killmails, ill still consider it solo if there's 1 combat ship, i dont really care if changes are made

but fo reals, we are way off topic

galmil needs a civil war bad for reasons stated in previous posts mmk
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#167 - 2014-06-02 13:07:51 UTC
wilgotna wrote:

galmil needs a civil war bad for reasons stated in previous posts mmk


I'm not really sure what wishful thinking is going to accomplish. That, and I think a lot of the success of FDU corps/alliances is simply because they're willing to work together and focus not on, "Winning FW" (Since you can't) but just having fights and fun with your guys. It's pretty obvious there's a difference in culture when you even admit that Feds have more solo Pvp'ers compared to Caldari (definition of it aside). What makes a good solo pvp'er to me is someone who wants to shoot spaceships without needing to be told, or with a FC to tell them what to do. What's a galmil civil war going to solve if people in calmil won't undock to fight unless they're pushed by an FC?

Kurilaivonen|Concern
WEY'0UN
Hoover Inc.
#168 - 2014-06-02 13:16:42 UTC
Fyi,

Drunk 'n' Disorderly will be switching sides to CAL Mil as of the 7th of june (pending fixing SPDR's standing issues) We hope this will help stimulate Gal/Cal warzone a little with cal gaining some new blood fc's (Guiynen and Larkness and Lockout)

Thanks for all the funzies
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#169 - 2014-06-02 14:21:16 UTC
WEY'0UN wrote:
Fyi,

Drunk 'n' Disorderly will be switching sides to CAL Mil as of the 7th of june (pending fixing SPDR's standing issues) We hope this will help stimulate Gal/Cal warzone a little with cal gaining some new blood fc's (Guiynen and Larkness and Lockout)

Thanks for all the funzies

Finally somebody with balls! Rest of Gallente Militia are a bunch of female cats.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#170 - 2014-06-02 14:26:49 UTC
Good luck with that.

WEY'0UN wrote:
Fyi,

Drunk 'n' Disorderly will be switching sides to CAL Mil as of the 7th of june (pending fixing SPDR's standing issues) We hope this will help stimulate Gal/Cal warzone a little with cal gaining some new blood fc's (Guiynen and Larkness and Lockout)

Thanks for all the funzies

nom nom
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#171 - 2014-06-02 22:45:13 UTC
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#172 - 2014-06-03 00:11:56 UTC
Zerkova Bluecrown
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#173 - 2014-06-03 04:33:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Zerkova Bluecrown
I smell trolls... that being said, if this statement is true it would cause some very interesting waves in the Gallente/Caldari conflict. Would I enjoy brawling with a GUIYNAN fleet? Hell yeah, it would be fun. Will this happen? I highly HIGHLY doubt it. Blink
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#174 - 2014-06-03 11:36:35 UTC
wilgotna wrote:

thats cool if you dont consider it solo, but i do

take that dude who solod ratting carriers with his nyx... he had like 4 cyno/scout alts + the nyx

does this mean he 5v1 gangbanged the ratter?

did the ratter send him a msg like "wat r u 2 scured 2 fite me solo pu55y?1"

I used to solo entire fleets of Caldari ships with my mission fit Ishtar.
ALUCARD 1208
Naga's Be Trippin
#175 - 2014-06-03 12:11:13 UTC
Zerkova Bluecrown wrote:
I smell trolls... that being said, if this statement is true it would cause some very interesting waves in the Gallente/Caldari conflict. Would I enjoy brawling with a GUIYNAN fleet? Hell yeah, it would be fun. Will this happen? I highly HIGHLY doubt it. Blink



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BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Beardon
CRIME CRIME
#176 - 2014-06-03 15:43:05 UTC
wilgotna wrote:


nobody is comparing the best of galmil to the worst of calmil

i am comparing the average galmil pilot to the average calmil pilot (this does not even factor in farmers)

furthermore...

if i think of calmil i can name 4 good soloists off the top of my head: diana and ibanez, and ibanez freaking quit the militia, qjuu defected and joined gallente (lol), greg01 quit the game as far as i know - this leaves only ONE remaining

if i think of galmil i can easily name 10 good soloists, and id probably be forgetting a lot of them

sure i gotta give props to templis to bringing out doctrine fleets, but do you win often if ever? your alliance's efficiency speaks for itself


I'm also going to point the probable bias lurking here: being in galmil, of course you know more soloists in galmil. I know more soloists in calmil because I know the pilots in calmil a lot better. I also put it in right there that I'm not claiming the average calmil pilot is better than the average galmil pilot, or even on par for that matter, I only claimed that I felt your representation of calmil was shallow and strawmanish.

And yes, we do win often in our doctrine fleets. Or alliance efficiency isn't through the roof or anything but I got zero shame about it; we're a laid back newbro friendly alliance that's drunk more often than not. We hold our own when we undock in our doctrine fleets and win more often than we lose.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#177 - 2014-06-03 16:05:06 UTC
Will wil will the Caldari to greatness, or will wil turn into the next egomaniacal Caldari FC? Time will tell.

I'm not saying we're paying SovietGuard like we did Bolsterbomb to sew dissent throughout the Caldari ranks, but I'm not saying we're not either.
ALUCARD 1208
Naga's Be Trippin
#178 - 2014-06-03 18:23:47 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Will wil will the Caldari to greatness, or will wil turn into the next egomaniacal Caldari FC? Time will tell.

I'm not saying we're paying SovietGuard like we did "THE DON" Bolsterbomb to sew dissent throughout the Caldari ranks, but I'm not saying we're not either.



There fixed that for you

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
wilgotna
Perkone
Caldari State
#179 - 2014-06-03 19:26:53 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Will wil will the Caldari to greatness, or will wil turn into the next egomaniacal Caldari FC? Time will tell.

I'm not saying we're paying SovietGuard like we did Bolsterbomb to sew dissent throughout the Caldari ranks, but I'm not saying we're not either.

so far ive gotten banned from most corp/alliance channels
i know the intel channels, but whats the point if i join theyll just instaban me
most people who read the militia chat have either written me off as a spy or blocked me
im not good at this diplomacy stuff
do you sell lessons x g?
also im not familiar with bolsterbomb, please enlighten me Big smile

Beardon wrote:
I'm also going to point the probable bias lurking here: being in galmil, of course you know more soloists in galmil. I know more soloists in calmil because I know the pilots in calmil a lot better.

this is just dumb
i dont get to know the soloists in the area by being in a certain militia
i learn by flying around and dying
i can name way more pirate soloists than i can calmil soloists, does this mean im in the pirate militia?
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#180 - 2014-06-03 20:10:00 UTC
I wasted a perfectly funny post designed to sew seeds of discontent in Caldari militia for... for nothing??!!

IMO, you should rejoin Gallente militia and exact your revenge on those ungrateful bastards.