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EVE's "No Fight" Culture

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Ahost Gceo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2014-05-31 17:07:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Ahost Gceo wrote:
There are no fair fights an Eve *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.



Yea, well...*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.P

*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal. I woke up at 3 in the morning (left Teamspeak on at full blast by accident and gotten woken up by excited fleet chatter, lol) and tried fighting a null group twice our size. Almost lost a Talos, but in the end, they wouldn't engage in a proper battle because we had an actual fleet comp and for some reason thought that "fighting in -1.0" is worse than fighting in null. Nullbears won't fight unless it is on their turf where they have the advantage of dropping far more than you can handle.

I was pissed.

CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.

Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#62 - 2014-05-31 17:51:25 UTC
Violence is never the answer. Communication, love, and understanding are the way to join the rest of us among the heavens! <3
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#63 - 2014-05-31 18:07:19 UTC
I think its a lot more a guerrilla warfare culture TBH.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Ahost Gceo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2014-05-31 18:09:11 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
I think its a lot more a guerrilla warfare culture TBH.


Space Gorillas Online.

CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.

OffBeaT
State War Academy
Caldari State
#65 - 2014-06-01 02:03:35 UTC
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
I'll fight you. Ill meet you with my shuttle.



Now your talking to me, im getting hot on you.

Welp, most stations have rooks in them so solo is ruff doing these days around anything. You get into it and winning and pop shows up a rook and saves him while he pops you off. Bumer! Big smile
Vivec Septim
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2014-06-01 02:17:03 UTC
So you are saying all of EVE is this one situation? -1

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. 

flakeys
Doomheim
#67 - 2014-06-01 08:00:10 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Ahost Gceo wrote:
There are no fair fights an Eve *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.



There are fair fights in eve , they happen on a daily base in fw.


Saying solo fighting is dead is bullshit , saying it's not easy to spot them is another story.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Juno Rook
Doomheim
#68 - 2014-06-01 10:48:33 UTC
In my case, I too only play a little each day. I have real world obligations that limit my game play.

I sit in a little 0.6 system, which I call home, and I do a little mining, some ratting and I'll go out and do some exploring because thats what I enjoy doing. I get my music playing and I chill after a long day and enjoy EVE my way.

I'm not risk averse and I know that at any time I can get ganked at any time. That is part of that game and I'm cool with that. I just don't go looking for fights.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2014-06-01 17:31:39 UTC
I believe you have missed the point of Eve. Actually Eve doesn't have a "no fight culture". but... as it should be, the cost of fighting is a deterrent to those with less commitment to the understandably heavy cost and demands of battle ... If it's not worth paying the cost of entry into a dire fight a shrewd pilot backs off and perhaps bides his time. Everything in this game is a struggle from day trading and mining, to wormhole exploration and capturing sov. Understanding when to fight and when not to is part of the struggle. I do not agreed with those who seek to make combat the most cost effective pursuit in the game. Where concord fails to stop the careless ganker.. combat costs and necessary prep demands just may. ...that doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#70 - 2014-06-01 17:58:36 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Understanding when to fight and when not to .... doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner.


+1

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#71 - 2014-06-01 19:14:55 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Juno Rook wrote:
In my case, I too only play a little each day. I have real world obligations that limit my game play.

I sit in a little 0.6 system, which I call home, and I do a little mining, some ratting and I'll go out and do some exploring because thats what I enjoy doing. I get my music playing and I chill after a long day and enjoy EVE my way.

I'm not risk averse and I know that at any time I can get ganked at any time. That is part of that game and I'm cool with that. I just don't go looking for fights.



In your case Juno, I totally respect your style of game play.



My issue is with those who talk a big game, think of themselves as being a part of a big game, but when slapped strait up in the face make some excuse as to why they do not want to teach me a lesson. Then they find ways to rationalize it.

Well... not everyone is buying what they are selling.
Some here find them quite transparent, and that is the ultimate topic of this thread... whether people have the reading comprehension to understand it or not.


I mean... I have said it enough times already haven't i? Roll


*Snip* Removed off topic part of the post. ISD Ezwal.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#72 - 2014-06-02 02:31:16 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Will eve forever be filled with carebears who don't want to fight and "PVP carebears" who pretend like they do but in reality, won't undock without a sure win in their favor?


Well, yeah, at least until this whole neutral logi thing is well and truly nerfed and who really wants to beat their epeen raw if their favourite "killer death ship" has even the slightest chance of getting it's paint scratched ?

The shame of actually losing in a fair fight... it's many [alleged] PVP'ers worst nightmare. P

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#73 - 2014-06-02 02:49:30 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Felicity Love wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Will eve forever be filled with carebears who don't want to fight and "PVP carebears" who pretend like they do but in reality, won't undock without a sure win in their favor?


Well, yeah, at least until this whole neutral logi thing is well and truly nerfed and who really wants to beat their epeen raw if their favourite "killer death ship" has even the slightest chance of getting it's paint scratched ?

The shame of actually losing in a fair fight... it's many [alleged] PVP'ers worst nightmare. P



In my own opinion at least, I am not getting that neut guardians are to blame. Remove logistics ships all together and then neut rr will simply come in the form of dominix's and your typical wambulance triage carrier. I mean, don't get me wrong they don't help. But killing the overpowered guardian (that contains no stacking penalty) won't compel loud mouth's to actually undock and put their money where their mouth is anymore than they do today.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

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Jegrey Dozer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-06-02 03:32:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jegrey Dozer
High sec people do not want to be bothered. Most of them do not have the time to play but still make time to do so.

Nullsec sounds boring. The allure of lots of ISK with barely anything to do outside of a blob. It does not sound so fun. I would imagine that adventure seekers would find more solace in lowsec.

Lowsec is where the last frontier really lies. Those are people who have the time and ISK to PvP to do stupid and fun things. Doesn't mean they wont blob, but they have the freedom to do whatever they want. There is no sovereignty mechanic to chain you down.

But, these are just my opinions. My experience is not yours. OP, I would just make the claim that you have grown tired of the game and are either inventing or recognizing flaws that fuel your perception.
Vince Prince
Fart In A Spacesuit
Crimson Inquisicion
#75 - 2014-06-02 03:44:27 UTC

Pvp in eve has changed from the days when i first started playing, i'm not saying thats a bad thing But! i have noticed how hard it is to get a good old fashioned fight in this game now. almost 10 out of 10 i can see how a fight will go before i engage. solo pvp is now like a fart in the wind, it was momentarily fragrant now gone forever.


I do find it hard to get people to engage with me in "solo pvp", and when i do i tend to find the cards are always stacked against me. dont get me wrong ill look at the situation and see if it's worth a punt. But more often than not sadly it's really not. Solo pvp is dead to me personally. No one fights with honor like in the old days. theres is always a gang or logic or hot drop waiting for you to make an engagement and royalty shaft you once you do.



I **** you not i was hotdroped not so long ago by 30 plus and i was only in a drake?



I think the point you are all missing is its all about the isk these days! and that is the truth of it.



isk is king and plex feeds it, i'm truly sad at that.



i honestly thought i would play eve forever now i'm not so sure. :( I do love eve and i loved the relationship the players used to have with ccp. that's now gone to sadly,

That was down to trolls who almost destroyed ccp For REAL almost made em go bust. furthermore what happened to all the players. all i ever see is hate being spewed on these forums. It truly makes me feel sad.

Op starts a truly interesting topic only to get flamed from the get go why?
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2014-06-02 09:05:32 UTC
OP, if you want solo pvp, come to black rise.

Not sure about cruisers and up (haven't tried yet), but if you undock a frig or dessy you'll get plenty of fights.

If you're good (both game and meta-game), you'll kill more than you lose. In any case you'll have fun.

You'll find plenty of 1v1s, but it's fun and challenging to take on1v many too.

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Marcus Gord
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#77 - 2014-06-02 09:05:45 UTC
the first rule of no fight culture, is you do not talk about no fight culture.

the second rule of no fight culture is YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT NO FIGHT CULTURE

In a few moments you will have an experience that will seem completely real. It will be the result of your subconscious fears transformed to your conscious awareness.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2014-06-02 10:07:19 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
OP, if you want solo pvp, come to black rise.

I'll add just a small example.

Yesterday I was solo roaming in a brawler Merlin, fit for maximum gank + tank. I had no scram/point on it.

I engage a Comet, hit him pretty hard while not taking much damage myself. He warps out in 20% structure, since I had no scram/point.

But he comes back a couple of minutes later!

I assume he must have changed either fit, ammo choice or tactics, because this time I take much more damage.

I manage to prevail anyway, this time he doesn't warp off even though he knew perfectly well he wasn't scrammed, I win but end up in 20% structure myself. A fun and satisfying fight indeed!

Just a small example of the 'fight' culture that I personally notice every time I solo roam.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#79 - 2014-06-02 12:45:57 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
OP, if you want solo pvp, come to black rise.

Not sure about cruisers and up (haven't tried yet), but if you undock a frig or dessy you'll get plenty of fights.

If you're good (both game and meta-game), you'll kill more than you lose. In any case you'll have fun.

You'll find plenty of 1v1s, but it's fun and challenging to take on1v many too.



I will keep that in mind. Pirate

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#80 - 2014-06-02 12:55:24 UTC
I barely read the OP, but the gist of it seems to be that this guy is wondering why people don't just walk out in front of his guns so he can shoot them.

The answer is simple: walking/flying out in front of someone's guns is stupid gameplay. Most people aren't stupid. It has next to nothing to do with cowardice or bravery. Preventing loss while making other people lose is THE name of the game not only in any game's pvp, but in any real life conflict as well. You can go and die for your country, I'm gonna live for mine lol.

You want fights, make them fight. Trick them into fighting. Bait them into fighting. But whatever you do stop complaining about your inability to compel a fight.