Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Your last several posts are good example why getting rid of faceless NPC alts does not in itself guarantee better forum quality.

I think it's becoming a bit more apparent that this is not the clear resolution originally presented. Looking back at the list:

1) The corp is just a utility for posting. How do you socially engineer that? It has no real inner workings, no real characters, no real assets, and no need of internal interaction. Even in the case of a corral, this would require the real solution to the trolling issue to be resolved, empowered moderation. Without that, even the clear knowledge of a den of trolls becomes useless. With it, there is no purpose in forming such a den as any who would be worthy of it would be effectively dealt with.

2) ISD does move things, but doing so would prevent participation from those that started the thread, eliminating feedback from the originator and marginalizing the usefulness of the thread for that person. Additionally this provides further incentive for bypass of the rules.

3) Again, that isn't a real benefit of your idea because it's a non-change. Basically it's unfair to claim that maintaining the status quo is a benefit of an idea because the truth is that idea effectively means do nothing in that area. Yes, there are "benefits" which unironically are the same for that subforum as doing nothing to change from today.

4) We can agree to disagree, but again we have the issue of trying to leverage access against gameplay for rule biding players. It's a situation that again favors alt proliferation and consequence avoidance

5) CCP can easily identify trolls now if it chose to do so. Troll characters I would imagine rarely exist on accounts alone and as such CCP could chose to take sanctions against other characters on the account with greater value to the player. Corp history on the other hand is easy to flush by starting another character.

6) If there were no players seeking to take advantage of the mechanics of corp membership, or if corp membership wasn't effectively nothing more than a permanent consensual wardec with every other member, it wouldn't matter. For a solo player there is no gain in providing anyone access to aggress them at any time. And considering not all of them can have control over adding more characters to the list of those that have that privilege it's a risk with no benefit or reward.

Regarding your questions:

-How is it not a logically beneficial work around?
See my response to #6

-How does this promote the creation of said alts any more than the current status of things?
Because a greater concentration of alts is needed to obtain posting rights. Now the goal is 1, your plan raises that number to 10.

-With the current system what leverage exists? There is literally nothing you can do about a pending-doomheim npc alt as of right now. With the change that alt will have to do some work before it can do anything.
We also have the fundamental issue that your plan in itself doesn't create that leverage. It relies upon further active moderation capabilities and the willingness of CCP to provide them. This strongly suggests that leaving the forums open to all those who are using the product discussed is not the cause of the forum degradation issue, but rather the capacities to police said discussion, which could be corrected without restriction of posting, but cannot be accomplished with it alone.

-There's no separation of consequences there's just considerable :effort: if they want to try to avoid the consequences again. While also making them an easier target for moderation as the troll organizations are identified.
Since the characters and corps are of no lasting worth they are easily cycled and no easier for ISD to identify or deal with (note that this statement is made with the understanding that ISD does not have the power to see a character's account or gameplay history and thus does not have the ability to link one character to another through such means, if this is incorrect please feel free to correct me). Since they still aren't legitimately playing characters there are no ways for players to enforce consequence. CCP could again take account level actions, but again, if they would just do so now the "99%" would be cared for while leaving the other "1%" intact and fully functioning.

-Again 99% of trash along with 1% of gold is doing more good than harm.
Your solution does in my opinion unacceptable harm which renders the quantification irrelevant. Furthermore, every action that would REALLY get rid of that 99% doesn't need to include harming the 1%.

So what if it is? It's a good one if so.


He's updated the OP three times with alternative suggestions/clarification.

Look at the thread title. It's RESTRICT NPC posting abilities not REMOVE.

Those of you who keep coming in and having hysterics just highlight that some of you have nothing of value to add to the forum.

That bolded part is not true at all you cannot state that without support for it. I've placed several alternatives in the OP and acknowledged potential adverse effects. I've even done that literally with you so you can go grasp at straws elsewhere unless you have something new to add.

And several times it has been pointed to you, by me and others, that those other parts of the solution make your proposal redundant.

My view on this...if you don't like a post ignore it...if a post is offensive report it.

No you don't get to side step the point that my suggestion is far more financially viable and simpler than yours. I take it you concede the point?

So, if you want to troll you make an alt and put him in a one man player corp?

Ok, glad we're solved trolling (trolling in this case = saying things that make poor goonies unhappy)

Nobody ever said everything CCP does is smart.

As someone who frequently glazes over bad posts, I take offense to that.