EVE General Discussion

Only scrubs have 20m clones. 45m plus implants so more like 95m for me -.-

There's nothing wrong with being tightfisted.

All of this, it's there. You just haven't read it. But please, continue to derail. You are now stuck in anoter circle, refuzing to budge out of your stance, refuzing to elaborate on your points, and refuzing to consider the scenarios I've drawn, because you, fundamentally, cannot understand them.


Grr goons.

Pretty much this.

It bypasses mechanics that makes pretty much the only process of character development, meaningless. CCP will also run the risk of losing more subs from people who don't want to see Eve turn into another Korean MMO.

…except, of course, that I've answered your questions and stayed on topic, even through you've been so adamant on injecting all kinds of red herrings and strawmen to make the thing go off the tracks. You just refused to read my posts, which is why you incorrectly assumed that there were no answers or that they were not on topic, and you then started arguing against arguments that were never made.

No. You have proven it beyond any doubt, so it's not an assumption.

You lost the instant you had to rely on fallacies to cover up for the fact that you had no counter-argument.

I don't see why any part of the playerbase should be forced to pay more to engage in content. It's actually punishing the more loyal geriatric portions of the playerbase. For being loyal.


I think it was MDD who did jump clone services early on using Rorqs? But that has been supplanted since by the Estel Arador service (which afaik he always ran for free and remains so). It's really only uninformed players who grind the standings for clones. So I'm not sure what cottage industry would be affected, although standings services would probably take a hit. They need to revisit standings overall and inject some relevance somewhere.

These extra clone skills and now the new implant sets highlight another problem. Why can't we instal multiple clones in one station? Fair enough you can clone jump out to your empty set to PVP because, yeh, as a PVPer it's completely fair that you should earn less SP ph than anyone else. What if you live in null and are engaged in a major campaign with a hellcamped system? How are you supposed to jump about to pick up these implant sets then get back to your stuff safely. It's ridiculous.


If you're referring to SP loss from clones which haven't been updated, I'm not too bothered myself. As Dave mentioned earlier it's an amusing mechanic (and I'm saying that having forgotten to update several times).

ps. Erufo this isn't a derail, it does tie into the theme of the OP.

I think he's now lost in the middle of it.

Old thread on this subject. Although as I see reading isn't your think Erufen, I doubt you'll learn much.

You mean “that”, not “because”. And contest or no, you still lost the argument the instant you decided to resort to fallacies and nothing else…

I don't. I just insist on trying to get you back on topic rather than follow you onto one of your tangential and irrelevant rails. Again, had you not been so insistent on using all kinds of strawman and red herring fallacies, you wouldn't have this problem of feeling that you're hanging precariously between two different tracks.

Now if you would like to get back on topic, I have a few questions for you to answer…
At the very beginning of the thread. You just didn't read it.

Ah, so you're just wrong then. You are back to assuming things and lashing out against that assumption rather than what has actually been said. Again, there's a reason why “strawman” shows up so much in my responses to you.

You mean the one I provided that you didn't read? The one you couldn't respond to but instead had to partially distort into another strawman and partially ignore outright?

No, that's just another strawman on your part. As always, reading rather than assuming would help you a lot here.

This time of the month again?

EVE is a game where consequences matter. This includes what to spend skillpoints on.

Giving out skills remaps, however limited, would go against this core principle of the game. Even attribute remaps are walking a very, very fine line, though the justification used there is completely inapplicable to skillpoint remaps.

Convenient. You left out the condition of proof I requested, and linked the bit of your opinion I said I didn't care for.


For the nth time. You quote out of context, you assume I said things, or suggest I meant something different. You attempt to change my sentence by partially quoting and inserting your opinion in between, or imply I meant something different than what was posted. I called you out on it a few posts ago, again.

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How do you work around the exploitation your idea allows for older players?
What is the purpose of training skills?
Where did you get the idea that you didn't have to train?
Are you seriously that oblivious to how what you're describing effectively removes attributes?
What makes you think that it's broken because anyone does it faster?
What makes you think it's a fear of change?

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I'll humor you, out of respect. I expect the same from you, but you've proven so far you don't respect me, so I won't hold you to it.

You have yet to define said exploitation, thus I cannot provide an answer. I've asked you to draw a scenario, but you insist on telling me your opinion. Your oppinion is irrelevant, for it is not factual. Draw a scenario that demonstrates your point, and I will consider the impact of my proposition. Give me facts, draw an example. Follow the scenario I proposed and show me where your exploitation comes into play.

The purpose of training skills is to be able to train more skills, or fly a different ship, or speciallize on an area of the game. This is known as progress.

Where did you get the idea that I have the idea that you don't have to train?

Are you seriously that oblovious to how what you think i'm describing is incorrect, and thus has no effect on attibutes?

I don't think it's broken because anyone does it faster. Care to show where I have hinted at this?

It's fear of change, because you refuse to listen, you refuse to explain, you refuse to rationalize, so it's either something that paralizes your faculties (my guess is fear, so there) or simple ignorance.

Oh really? What was the time difference then? I can't find it, because it's not there. You didn't answer the question, you didn't work with the scenario. You went ahead and continued to feed me your opinion, which is irrelevant.



Sure. I raise you, this.



Were you saying? Surely I fabricated this "strawmen".