Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I betcha you still won't realize yet that you're on the wrong side of this, even if they do take steps toward doing this.

I wish people would get gagged here for mentioning SC :P Honestly the number of people who come onto the EvE forums and literally sperge about how terrible the game is don't seem to realise most other games would forum ban them for that. Some of the stuff Dinsdale and Gevlon come out with would probably get them perma banned from other games. Don't think people realise how tolerant CCP really is in this regard.


Actually since this thread has gone up some of the worst offenders in GD have disappeared. Don't mix up the forum regulars ribbing with genuine trolling done from disposable alts. There is a difference. A lot of those topics are created deliberately to start a flame war, people used to it tend to spot them immediately.

Whether any action is taken by CCP, having the discussion is productive in some ways just to highlight the forums could be improved. Also as a tool for feedback to the ISD - notice how overwhelmingly people are in favour of them having more power, which reflects positively on their moderation at the moment.

What I find more troubling is a 5 minute newbie can come onto the forums and either provide an uninformed opinion or simply troll the forums with no constructive feedback and no consequences. The later of which is compounded by older players doing it as well with 5 minute alts.

Spare me from knee jerk freedom of speech arguments. All this change does is make the posting requirement 6-8 clicks away instead of 2-4(figuratively speaking).

But the OP (and subject of the thread) isn't trolls and stopping them. It's restricting everyone in an NPC Corp from posting in certain places and lessening the 'clogging' up on the forums. How is sorting through new player posts any different than sorting through forum vet ribbings?

A 24 hour temp gag which automatically applied across all characters on an account doesn't sound out of sorts at all to me. (That should not require the ISD's to even be aware of the other characters.)

A review of multiple gags on the same account (or accounts associated with one e-mail address/real life person - using whatever method they use to determine that for game bans, I suppose) for forum bans by CCP would complement that nicely.

So you're saying that everyone in an NPC Corp is either a troll or is clogging up the forums?

They comment that they have highlighted threads to Devs fairly frequently. Doesn't mean any action is taken based upon the comments. Why shouldn't the ISD pay attention to a thread specifically about moderation? It's not as if any of them have come in and agreed with the OP. There's really no need for concern.


Curiosity/ignorance, fair enough and people are fairly tolerant of new players most of the time. If they post a rant or complaint in GD or F&I though, you could argue they are unintentionally trolling. Most of the time they are posting redundantly.


Forum regulars may spam a bit with smartarse replies, but it's just banter and really that's a feature of all forums to a lesser or greater degree. Proposing changes isn't all about intolerance either, no need to make this into an emotive argument by seizing on certain words.


Nobody has said this. Stop being so argumentative.

Well I dunno boo-boo, maybe that's indicative that it's, I don't know, a problem?


Curiosity*

This isn't the questions and answers board. This is the Features and Ideas board. This is where potentially game changing ideas are posited and discussed. I for one don't want someone with no game experience posting in discussions he knows nothing about. I've been playing for 7 years, and I've dabbled in basically everything and what I haven't done I don't post about, because I have no valid opinions on the subject. I don't do Faction Warfare so ergo I don't post in FW topics. I don't mine or manufacture so ergo I don't post in industry topics.

If you don't have valid experience for what you're discussing, then you need to have some pretty compelling arguments for me to listen to you on the subject. Someone who's never left Pator Tech School in 98%(allow me to exaggerate) of cases hasn't done anything notable in EVE and has no real experiences to discuss the game's mechanics coherently.
So yeah, I don't think they should be able to post right off the bat because it's a pretty safe bet they have nothing valid to contribute as a new player or a trolling alt.



Oh no! EVE is full of sarcastic bitter vets?

It's worth my pointing out, I think, that person(s) who were key players in utterly wrecking (probably more pages deleted than have remained at this point) the pirate battleship thread would not have been stopped by this proposal. I know that several posters in this thread will know exactly what I'm nodding towards here.

I mention this not to discuss moderation as such - more as an example/evidence of why I see this failing without ISD changes and with those changes, arbitrary banning/blocking/gagging/pick your cliche is entirely redundant.

Ah, sorry I glazed over that bit. Entirely my fault.


Taking a page out of your book, I never said I hated them.


No, but an overwhelming majority of people who have any quantifiable experience with the game aren't in NPC corps. I suppose since there are legitimate arguments for micro-transactions we should roll over and allow pay to win mechanics to permeate EVE.


Now you're trying to twist my position into something it isn't.
EVE is a social game. If you don't participate in the social aspect of EVE you're gimping yourself. A vast majority of people who play the game longer than 2 months are going to end up joining a corporation. This is an MMORPG after all, not a singleplayer game. CCP does little to cater to lone wolf play styles because that's not what the game is about nor how a vast majority of players play the game. So this is an argument of diminishing returns. I think the returns for valid input and ideas for the Features and Ideas board are far too low from NPC corp posters to continue to allow for it to happen.

If they want to participate in shaping the game then they should first participate in shaping the game. That way they're shaping their game and not everyone elses' game.