EVE General Discussion

Ok, but I don't want to get more, or additional SP. I simply want to relocate it within the same toon, just different areas.

I see your point though!

To hit level V for a x2 skill it takes me 6 days and 17 hours when I am mapped completely into its attributes with +4 implants. (31 primary and 25 secondary)

To hit level V for a x2 skill it takes me 9 days and 7 hours when I am mapped out of its attributes with +4 implants. (21 primary and 21 secondary)

Mapped into: 161 hours

Mapped out: 223 hours

That's 27.8% in time saved. Which, with all due respect, is close enough to my ballpark of about 30%. Not to mention that I am not even considering levels I-IV.

Include also that "Points per minute = (primary attribute + secondary attribute/2)," you can stretch this percentage of time reduction to all time multiplier skills.

Your skill plan of about 2.5 years is probably covering skills that are not the same as those skills that you had mapped into. If not, I would love to see an explanation of your mathematics.

Also, you may have misunderstood my original clause. I said that you specifically only train in skills that share your attribute remap. Therefore, you get a significant reduction in training time at all times.

If you take a different route, where you equally remap into 2 sets of primary attributes and you train in skills with those 2 as their primary attributes, your training time reduction will see a significant decrease. I would bet a comparison to my previously imagined scenario would still comparatively yield more than a 10% decrease in training time.

Ultimately, we can go on about this for ages. The speed of training time is solely dependent on what you consider the attribute remap of the average player actually is.

Realistically, I believe it a proper assumption that as you divide up your points among more primary attributes, the amount of time saved is reduced more and more. I do not have the patience to run through all the numbers, I am sorry.

I will leave it to you to believe what you want. However, the truth is that the amount of time saved would be considered inappropriate in a game like this. Primarily because no new player is going to do this. This will only be done by veterans. Why would you create a situation where you allow veterans to decrease skill training time, but not the newer players? This is completely unfair and the very notion of what OP suggested should arose a consistent application of disgust from the vast majority of this community, who get infuriated whenever they lose out on SP.

Edit: Just ran numbers. If you were to remap 3 points out of 3 attributes and remap them into 2 non-complementary primary skills. You would get 29 and 28 points in those respective skills with +4 implants and 21 in the other 3 that remain.

Originally you would get SP/min = 31 + 25*0.5 = 43.5 SP/min

Now you get SP/min = 29 + 21*0.5 = 39.5 SP/min

That gives you a difference of about 9.2% SP/min.

You saved 81.8 days from your 890 day skill plan.

Compelling argumentation there. So no.

So first you were adamant that it was all my fault and now it is irrelevant. Goodie.

Strawman. Also why do you keep bringing up the skill rank as if it as anything to do with anything?


It breaks things by making attributes irrelevant for old players but not for new ones.
It breaks removes skills by making the character progression (for old players but not new ones) completely detached from skills and all about SP accumulation.
It breaks things by putting SP accumulation in focus as opposed to gameplay (for new players, but not old ones).
It breaks things by removing decision-making and planning.
It breaks things by gouging out a huge part of the progression balancing.
It breaks things by gutting the character market — you are no longer buying specific builds of various uniqueness but rather nondescript blobs of SP.

…and that's with a game-breaking limit of 1. It's already bad enough. The more you add in, the worse it gets until you have the full list of breakages. And it solves nothing because the problem that respecs are intended to address does not exist in EVE to begin with.

Answer the questions:
How did I twist your words?
Fair for whom and by what measure?
How do you work around the exploitation this allows for older players?
What it it you are training for? Since you forgot or ignored the context, let's rephrase it so you don't have to do that thing you are utterly incapable of doing: why do you train skills?

Oh, and if you want to use something else than what you've trained for, you can because the game has provided a way for you to do so: just train what you want to do. That is why SP remaps solve nothing and only creates the huge amounts of problems already listed.

i wouldn't mind a once a year sp remap. you would have a lot less people logging on just to change skills for months . it takes a while to figure out what you enjoy in this game .

You have to consider the extremes because if you don't then a proposed feature will be abused in those extremes. A skill with its primary/secondary attributes at 27/21 trains 40% faster than a skill with its primary/secondary attributes at 17/17. The decrease of skill training time is not an insignificant one.

Way too much here, Read the original post its a ONE TIME THING its changes no game mechanics, the time you spent is gone, time is like that, what ever rate you trained the points. This does NOT change the way attributes work, its a simple reallocation of points YOU ALLREADY HAVE. ONE TIME ONLY FREE for all ACTIVE accounts ONE KEY to be used ONCE on ONE character. Did I forget to say ONCE? FREE? It still may be a bad idea but at least argue correctly.

It's like neither you nor Erufen understand the difference between "changing how attributes work" and "eliminating the point of attributes"

What this would basically allow me to do is train up a bunch of missile skills to 5 and then reallocate all of that SP into leadership without ever remapping out of per/will, even if it's a one-time reallocation. Training those leadership skills to 5 would take a hell of a lot more time than training the missile skills to 5 with my per/will map.

I wouldn't, sure I've made mistakes in my choices but that makes my character who he is. Not to mention if I want to try anything (save cap pilot) i can simply just skill into something new.

I doubt your hypothetical person exists because they can put those 10 million skillpoints in industry to use while training those combat skills.

If you have already posted, you have made your opinion clear, if you need the last word fine, its still just one persons opinion, no matter how many times you restate the same opinion. You don't have to refute every other opinion. You don't have to convince anyone, you can't. Like it or don't.........moving on now