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I live in a culture of sexual repression and sometimes we forget that.
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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-05-30 06:15:08 UTC
I feel sorry for your pain.

I moved to Japan, a country where (and i have asked multiple women about this) they like being looked at. But not groped. But eye screwing them is fine. As long as you arent gross looking.

Japan, you please me.

Everyone else has my sympathy. P

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Webvan
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#22 - 2014-05-30 06:41:43 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
modesty changes from one society to another. look at like pygmies or some other type. walk around naked all the time. it a matter of culture and raising. i was raised to not expose myself all over the place lol. so not even san fran's laws would have compelled me to do otherwise because there is that cultural raising at play.

Because wearing fur is pretty hard on the body in the middle of a hot summer? Run around butt nekid in the middle of a snow storm? Was no law against it in SF, and everyone there is suppose to be so enlightened... Maybe if those pygmies had access to modern fabrics, running around partially nekid would have not been a requirement. Self-preservation was a part of my point after all.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-05-30 08:46:01 UTC
Just because something is legal doesn't mean people feel like it's okay to do it. People are still raising their kids telling them it is vitally important they wear clothes in public, and there are people there who will try to enforce wearing clothes even though it's legal to go without.

There is no federal regulation enforcing women covering their breasts in public, and most states don't have one either--Texas, for instance. Someone noticed this and organized an event in which lots of women were to get together downtown and go topless--in California. It got popular quickly, and soon they had flocks of women walking around downtown Los Angeles with no shirts on. People made a fuss and the police got swarmed with reports of the event, but the LAPD headquarters ordered the cops not to arrest any of the women because they weren't breaking any laws.

Yeah, you read that right. They had to TELL cops NOT to arrest these women. SOME COPS ARRESTED WOMEN JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE TOPLESS, WITHOUT BOTHERING TO CHECK IF IT WAS ILLEGAL. They just assumed it must be. That's the kind of cop that should not be a cop.

So this made a lot of headwaves, and before you knew it, another group got arranged and did it again--in New York City. The NYPD sent officers out to protect the women. Several men were arrested that day, and they deserved it. But mostly it was a very peaceful event.

It is now an officially-accepted holiday in some circles, and they have a day each year when women are supposed to go topless in public anywhere it's legal. They have a website, too. See if it's legal in your state: http://gotopless.org/topless-laws

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-05-30 08:54:24 UTC
My definition of sideboob is when the side of the boob is visible, but not most of the boob and not the nipple.

Also I like small boobs. Why do I say this? I was thinking about a common misconception people have when they hear me say that, and I think it's slightly relevant. Seems a lot of guys think (now, I might be wrong about this) that my liking small boobs means any or all of the following:
a.) the smaller the better, gone is best
b.) I dislike boobs
c.) I am sexually attracted to children
I've heard all these and more. They're not true. I love me some boobs. I think the best-looking boobs are pretty far below average in size, but I'm not super picky. Sometimes huge boobs look good. I don't think I'm particularly abnormal in this. Most men don't actually feel that bigger is better, but rather prefer a size that is far enough above average that it is difficult to satisfy them. But for pretty much anyone, there is an optimal size preference. And a lot of guys really don't care. Many are fascinated by the size variation and prefer seeing boobs of different sizes. I'm kinda like that.

But my real point is that all boobs are great. Still, those really flat ones that are easily covered up by a shirt are the best. :D

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-05-30 09:10:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Graygor
Out of curiosity, as someone from the UK where we tend to have a more lax attitude towards things than the USA, how do Americans view other countries in terms towards their sexuality / prudishness?

For example, this little comic shows up pretty much how the EU sees the USA in terms of boobs.

http://satwcomic.com/it-s-complicated

Ive noticed that Americans seem to be very paradoxical nature in regards to nudity etc. Very odd indeed.

I often wonder that if maybe we should have sent our Bohemians to the New World rather than the prudes. Or maybe our criminals. The Australians turned out alright.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-05-30 09:17:26 UTC
aww...isn't she Swede! :D (see what I did there? no?)

People here talk a far bit about how overtly sexual countries are. It's not a huge topic most of the time but there is a pervading belief that people run the streets naked and have sex where the public can see it. Also there are lots of people who don't know about the more relaxed laws, and assume that people in European countries are at least as vestmentally shackled as they are. Imagine the look on their faces when they find out it's not true.

Well everyone has different views on it because it's not talked about enough and the truth doesn't get out easily. It's amazing how the rumors are almost always pretty difficult to believe, as well as far from the truth.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-05-30 09:28:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Graygor
I still find it very odd.

I know its a bad example, this stuff like this blows my mind. I know all the cultural stuff about it, and even in history different body parts become fitishised. (example, breasts werent considered that attractive in the 16th / 17th century. Hence old paintings having massively exposed necklines etc. Elbows were which is why a lot of french art from that time has covered arms. Anthropology is fun!) But i still find america being both the capital of smut and the capital of prudishness a wonderfully bizarre juxtaposition.

When i was in university the easiest thing to bang on two legs were the american college girls on their year abroad. And my god they were a pack of.... lets just say they were not dull in bed.

Yet when it came to talking about the nitty gritty, the folks from the states would clam up or get really skittish. And god help you if you took them into Anne Summers.... But to each their own i guess.

People need to relax and unwind if you ask me. Though public nudity is for me a bit eh. Nudist beaches are fine. But not down the street. Nothing to do with prudishness. But i think a woman looks better with her clothes on tbh.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
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#28 - 2014-05-30 14:13:25 UTC
A one one-hundredth second glimpse of Janet Jackson's nipple was enough to send the USA into a state of apoplexy.

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Black Hydra Consortium.
#29 - 2014-05-30 14:27:20 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
A one one-hundredth second glimpse of Janet Jackson's nipple was enough to send the USA into a state of apoplexy.


In fairness to the United States, Janet Jackson is exceedingly nasty.

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#30 - 2014-05-30 14:34:22 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
A one one-hundredth second glimpse of Janet Jackson's nipple was enough to send the USA into a state of apoplexy.


In fairness to the United States, Janet Jackson is exceedingly nasty.


....That's "Miss Jackson"....if you are nasty.

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#31 - 2014-05-30 14:49:15 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:

one thing i'd like to add about the "wiring" comment is that i don't really think there is different wiring at all. i think there is only difference in perception to the information passing along the wiring and reaction to said information. there is a cultural element that can not be ignored as well.


Different wirings are a thing. No two people are exactly alike in the head department, be they male, female or other. Everybody is wired a bit differently, and that's that.
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#32 - 2014-05-30 15:49:39 UTC
Graygor wrote:
I still find it very odd.

But i still find america being both the capital of smut and the capital of prudishness a wonderfully bizarre juxtaposition.

! Big smile

I think that this is the essence of it. Americans have it beaten into their heads that nudity is bad. While there are a few nude beaches here and there, it's mostly for the "deviants" of society. No respectable upstanding citizen would cotton to such lewd behavior.

But the porno industry is very very alive and well. If you were to search most houses, I'm sure you'd find pron or sex related items in nearly all of them. We like our pron; we like nudity. I laugh at people who get flustered when the topic of self pleasuring is brought up. "Proper" people dont discuss that.....

Americans equate nudity to sex. We cant quite seem to understand that they are NOT the same thing.

Because we've been raised on a puritanical view of such things, they are evil and shame inducing. Just like alcohol on Sundays in Minnesota. Wisconsin LOVES when we cross the border on Sundays to buy booze.

Sorry, sort of a stream of consciousness response.

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#33 - 2014-05-30 17:16:27 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
A one one-hundredth second glimpse of Janet Jackson's nipple was enough to send the USA into a state of apoplexy.


In fairness to the United States, Janet Jackson is exceedingly nasty.

Not only that but also the mainstream news media that covered it day in and day out. 100% staged event and the media was fully involved. Meanwhile important news was thrown by the side of the road and forgotten, completely passing under the radar of most people. Of course it was only mass hysteria for people into the TV thing, having their lives revolve around it like Fahrenheit 451 heh. Oh look at the faamily, what's important to us today, lets seee.

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Webvan
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#34 - 2014-05-30 17:52:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Yeah, you read that right. They had to TELL cops NOT to arrest these women. SOME COPS ARRESTED WOMEN JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE TOPLESS, WITHOUT BOTHERING TO CHECK IF IT WAS ILLEGAL. They just assumed it must be. That's the kind of cop that should not be a cop.

It is illegal, I grew up in LA county. There is a 1979 ordinance especially for parks, playgrounds and beaches where it had been more common to do so, illegal to even be so near such a place which is about everywhere. You try walking the street naked in downtown LA they will have you locked up faster than you can imagine. Your link is to an activist site, but cops aren't going to argue with you over things, they send you to jail, judge fines you, goes on your record.

In SF it was not some oversight, it was on the books as "legal", and some people did so as I mentioned. No one was "oppressed", they had the right to do so, as long as they carried something to sit on so they don't smear their feces all over the place (really? that word is filtered? hehe). Only recently was it finally put on the books as illegal.

What's federal law have to do with anything? I'm not a stooge of the feds. This is a community level issue, feds cant regulate every aspect of your life, it's not their place, you shouldn't be looking to them to depend upon.

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Vortexo VonBrenner
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#35 - 2014-05-30 19:54:53 UTC
I suspect this OP is really a subtle support of more female toplessness...you sneaky dog, you... Blink

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#36 - 2014-05-30 20:28:01 UTC
Graygor wrote:
Out of curiosity, as someone from the UK where we tend to have a more lax attitude towards things than the USA, how do Americans view other countries in terms towards their sexuality / prudishness?

For example, this little comic shows up pretty much how the EU sees the USA in terms of boobs.

http://satwcomic.com/it-s-complicated

Ive noticed that Americans seem to be very paradoxical nature in regards to nudity etc. Very odd indeed.

I often wonder that if maybe we should have sent our Bohemians to the New World rather than the prudes. Or maybe our criminals. The Australians turned out alright.

Gray, I'm surprised you don't see a more extreme version of this dichotomy in Japan. I find that in both American and Japanese cultures, it's very important to have the appearance of being proper and presentable (of course that's true in most cultures since humans are social creatures, but the word *appearance* is important here).

Under the surface, both cultures paradoxically admit that there is a utilitarian need for sexuality.. our psyches are obsessed with sex (well, everyone's but mine).. and it is "ok" to go really wild and extreme. Some of the things I've seen in Tokyo, especially, seemed to be rather out of place if I think about being in an office just hours earlier where the order of bowing and voice tonality are being judged.

I'm generalizing of course, but this was my observation..

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-05-30 21:40:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
I think Japan is the true capital of smut and prudishness, or maybe it's Utah. In any case, there is a very distinct correlation with the prudishness of a society and both the quantity and quality of available pornographic material, at least in societies that are capable of smuggling it in. In Japan, people publicly walk the line of legality in tittilating material production, and that's considered fine, as long as the laws are adhered to. In Utah or most Muslim countries, it is very difficult to produce, sell, or smuggle pórn. They still have a lot of it (especially in Utah), but they also have much higher rates of rápe and sexual assault in those places. I don't think it takes a genius to see why. Japan has much lower rates of sexual assault.

Not everyone is obsessed with sex. Pretty much all of us think about it every now and then, but a lot of the people who are less interested in it have their (relative) disinterest go unnoticed in light of the much louder proclamations of interest by others. I'm not obsessed with sex, far to the contrary. I'm the kind of person who would consider sex iff the rest of the relationship already looked good, but the relationship wouldn't depend on the sex. I think it's good to make it known that there are people like us out there everywhere. I think we all feel alone in that.

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#38 - 2014-05-30 22:52:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
it is very difficult to produce, sell, or smuggle pórn. They still have a lot of it (especially in Utah), but they also have much higher rates of rápe and sexual assault in those places. I don't think it takes a genius to see why.

Becauuuuse... they cant find a job in the industry and so go on rápe sprees?
Odd.. because Utah has a higher percentage of younger adults compared to other states, and where a lot of this crime is taking place, among the youth. They don't have access to the interwebs to get that stuff? Or maybe because when I was a kid in school, we were taught the importance of ethics and morality, that human beings have worth. They stripped all that away though, teach humans are nothing but animals, and truth is relative. Taught they are just animals, so act like they are just animals. Each generation will become worse until our society collapses.

As for public indecency, being so lax against it would have horrible repercussions. All these pervert animals running around without clothing on. When I was younger, I worked at a resort for a time. Once I had to do a 100yard dash to try to catch this stupid flasher on the property. The guy was lucky he made it to his car before I could catch him, I wasn't just going to ask him what he was doing... not a single word on my mind heh, and no one that knew what was going on was going to try to stop me.

But not just your stupid run of the mill pervs being let loose on society, but then you have the pedophiles. Do I need to even suggest the problems with those types walking the streets half or fully exposed? And those are not just men, but women do that crap too.

You know, they do have places where people can express their love of all things nekid, right? ..or most stuff. Little privately owned communities with a fence around them. At least there they can police it themselves, get rid of the scumbags. Little communities where they just run nekid to their hearts content all the day long. But in a broader civilized society, just doesn't work.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-05-30 23:15:01 UTC
Not sure if making fun of those people or not.

But studies show that the rates of sexual assault are higher in places where people are not allowed the freedom to express their sexuality in a peaceful way. Of course, there are several Islamic nations that will compare our rápe incidents with a relative lack of reported incidents on their side and say that we have more of this because we are lude and uncivilized, but this is actually a case in which they simply aren't allowing occurrences of sexual assault to get reported, or have a society that makes it much easier to get away with, if you are a man. Sometimes things we would consider sexual assault are, by their laws, perfectly legal and acceptable.

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#40 - 2014-05-30 23:42:56 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Not sure if making fun of those people or not.

But studies show

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2488197/posts
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What people? I wasn't going to make fun of that flasher in the slightest.. Twisted
Oh the newdies? hah too easy a target for my tastes. I've always liked challenges.
Of course, those colonies and resorts are in decline... only further showing how out of touch your original post is (no offense meant towards you personally). Not just in decline in the US, either. People may think us Americans are prudes or whatever, but we just won't stand for it and the repercussions of it in our communities. Janet Jackson is an idiot, it's just what you would expect watching the stupid box. Blockbuster movies are often rated G, not R. Even in the liberal mecca cities they have been passing laws against it, they don't even want it. I mean if SF doesn't even want it, it's a lost cause.

As for discussions of what the middle-east does or doesn't do, I'm not touching that. I'm more concerned with what goes on in my own neighborhood, or my state. Interest in the US, North America and the general Western world. Not that I'm not educated in what goes on in the middle-east, but seems beyond the scope of the original post, deflates the points through confusion.

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