EVE General Discussion

The news goes out! One time only full Skill Point Refund! Never before and never again! Return now! Be active when the full Skill Point Refund comes. That would work even better than the "name on the stone" thing. With all the changes in eve over the past 10 years, it doesn't sound so outrageous. I don't really think people would completely change their characters character, (I had to say that, it felt good) but rather adjust and refine. Over the years new options and changes make some skill areas, more or less needed for the game play type I now enjoy. Anyway, it would bring back many players, and make a ton of money, as a one time deal, one key per "active" account, to use on any, one character in that account.

You're late. April Fool's was two months ago.

It would also be controversial.

All you need to do is remap attributes and train a bunch of random skills, whose main attributes you remapped into, to gain incredibly fast SP without ever hitting a situation where you are in need of skills that have different primary and secondary attributes.

Then when you hit your threshold SP, you remap. Congrats! You just matched someone else in SP and you did it about 30% faster than they ever could.

That sounds lame to me : /

No, it would not.

Skills are an interesting and meaningful decision to make. Removing that decision would be the exact opposite of interesting and meaningful. It would also be directly harmful to the game.


OP: What you're asking for is already in the game. It's called “skill training”. EVE is not a class/level-based game where you're stuck in one path and can't do anything outside of the 20 abilities you've accumulated on your way to max level. Instead, if you want to try something new, just try it.

More like a financial shot in the head.
Paying to skip game mechanics is inherently a bad idea.

Alienating your customer base by introducing P2W is not good business.

If you want them to remove skills, ask them to remove skills. Don't ask them to make the removal contingent on how large your wallet is. The former is just a bad idea; the latter is taking a bad idea and turning it up to 21 by not just removing game mechanics but ensuring that the removal breaks the game as much as possible in the process.

I'd rather CCP not make Eve into another generic asian mmo with even more pay to win than we already have with plex. (Plex is okay)

The amount of asian investor influence in Eve is too damn high.

That's a good point. This is open to abuse with implants (and lost implants) too.


Makes sense. The mistakes you make for training skills is often connected to your pilot's in-game history.

Really?
I can't remember ever having seen a good argument for it…

And here you go, blowing things out of proportion.

an SP remap, as far as I understand it, does not "win" the game in any way. It simply rewrites what the character could do, with the ammount of SP it had gathere at the point of the remap.

How is this pay to win? Because you can train a lot of 1x skills up really quick and then remap it into more advanced skills?

An SP remap bypasses game mechanics and game balance. This bypass effectively removes the mechanic and its connected balance from the game, specifically the entire skilling mechanic and everything related to it, including the attributes that balance how quickly you acquire those skills. Tie it to PLEX and you have a paid-for ability to skip game mechanics. This is about as P2W as it gets. The amount of “win” you gain doesn't particularly matter — what matters is that you are now paying to not play the game the same way as everyone else.

Again: if you want them to remove skills, ask them to remove skills. Don't turn it into an idiotic P2W scheme.

Oh, and of course, first you have to figure out a good reason why skills should be removed — effectively or explicitly. I have yet to hear anyone present such a reason.