Market Discussions

Couple of items (maybe more):

1. Will not sell my T2 BPOs, ever, period. Even with the proposed nerf/buff having a BPO means you never have to invent that item. This can be huge especially when it comes to ships. Ammo, on the other hand, not so much.

2. Most of my sales come from invented BPCs.

3. I invent way more BPCs than I can produce.

4. Markets are driven by -4/-4 bpc prices. This gives a huge advantage to the T2 BPOs. So using decrypters that improve your ME does nothing but help your profitability.'

5. It's not rocket surgery.

Yep and I am still not too concerned. I doubt if people will lower their prices a significant amount just because the ME gets improved. I know how much these items cost to build and for some items this is not a significant improvement.

I read that 80% of invented T2 BPCs are for self use and those items never make it to market. But I also know a lot of others don't do the industrialist thing. So someone has to do it.

Well, we filthy hobbitses have always made filthy profit off T2 BPO's, but naaaaaaaw... the big money is yet to come and will by no means be exclusive to T2 BPO's despite this ongoing preoccupation with them.

Unless you've owned one or two since the old days of the lottery, and giggled your ass off watching their value inflate beyond all expectation, well, T2 BPO's are, "soooooooooo yesterday".

Yep. Although certain people (and their alts ) are trying to act as if nothing has changed, their prints are going to drop at least 50% in value from the looks of things... and that may only be the start

Man I thought that post was going to be some pretty 101-level not-really-understanding-the-invention-market but it turned out to be a Dinsdale-esque work of art.

It's not going to be a huge change for Inventors. They're already primarily in a rat-race with each other outside of a few things that have small enough markets to be controlled by the limited output of a BPO. A BPO doesn't have much affect on a saturated market; it just generates a nice stream of low-effort income for the holder since his margins are much wider and he doesn't have to muck around with BPCs and decryptors and such. If Invention becomes more competitive with BPOs, it doesn't change much for the Inventor because his actual competition was already other Inventors. It just means the BPO guy suddenly doesn't make as much money.

On the other hand, a smart BPO holder would have already sold his stuff as soon as he realized he could have put a decade's worth of income in his pocket right now.

Where's the panic then? I've said all I could. I've always been a fighter for the poor man. You heed my advice or you don't. Simple as that, I've stated the facts. Nothing in eve depreciates. Imagine the market and imagine google earth, the +/-, hit the - and look a bit bigger. The context. At the end of the day your dealing with years, decades, multiple decades. That is what EVE is. And that is the notion being misinterpreted by the incorrect set of lenses. You can join us, or don't. We don't care. All we know, is we'll be there.

lol, a lot of people don't consider a T2 BPO to be end game industry. It's a terrible investment with an absolutely awful ROI, and that keeps getting worse as the price gets pushed up while the market price of the product doesn't. theres no way that inventors are going to be saying "Well I've made a heap of profit, lets spend 20 years of BPO profit on a BPO". That's just wishful thinking.

Yes, look at the facts. CCP stated the value "will go down". CCP stated that there will be a "transitional plan" not just a "take them away and say screw you" (transitional plan to... what? The context suggest removal). CCP also stated there are no plans to remove them, then later revised that to no "immediate" plans (why the change if they will never be removed). Then look at the fact that the gap between BPOs and invention is being considerably reduced. Lets face it, if you look at the facts, they suggest that T2 BPOs have a limited shelf life and will lose a lot of value. The only thing going against that is people saying "nope!" with no actual evidence to support it. Look at yourself, your only "evidence" is that goons are saying it will go down, lol.

*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

Well that in itself is not a fact, loads of things have been removed and more things will be. At the end of the day when they build new mechanics, older ones need to go. They can't just keep every old idea around for eternity. You might get to keep the item to collect, but the function it has will not exist forever.

I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
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I'm starting to wonder if he might have an agenda and might be abusing his power because he keeps stepping into every single ******* T2 BPO thread over multiple sub-forums to censor, snip, close, or move. It has seriously become a pattern. He has even done arbitrary deletion of bids in sale threads. Getting ready to petition this **** for investigation if it continues.

Aww and after Otti got owned and everything. I was waiting for a response on that one. At least eve-search never forgets. Thanks again Chribba.