Warfare & Tactics

lol war decs. I think I've been in one war dec a long time ago where the dec actually mattered. Most of the time both sides ignore the war dec for a week until it's over.

Because the game mechanics allow it. Once you undock you are agreeing to PvP. Whether that PvP is mutual or not. If you do not like it, I suggest you find another game.

The only place you are safe from wardecs is in a NPC corp.

Because in Eve, the freedom to interact trumps the freedom to avoid interaction.

My carebear alliance was recently decced.

Corp mining events were cancelled and the most
common reaction to the dec was that members stopped logging in.

When the war was over, many but not all of our members started logging in again.

Yes, there are many different ways to respond to a war dec,
but the stop playing response is quite strong in many players.

I am sure to be informed that those players who stopped playing were not "right" for EVE anyway and therefore no loss to the game.

Based on your brief post, your CEO is probably incompetent.

If mining is one of -or the- main activity of your corp, he should've simply asked all miners to temporarily drop corp and just go right ahead with your mining ops.

It's maybe an inelegant solution but much better than not playing or -worse- permanently losing corp members (assuming, as you seem to imply, that they were excellent EVE players).

Honestly if you want to continue mining during a war dec it's very easy.

1) Find a mining agent of L1/2.

2) Buy some ventures

3) Drop corp* and travel to the system with the mining agent

4) Rejoin corp, and do the agent's missions while watching local.

5) If a war target enter the system align, and watch dscan for probes.

6) If probes appear warp to station.

7) Repeat until you can use a level 3 agent

8) Drop corp* and go to the level 3 and do 4-6

9) Repeat until you can use a level 4 agent

10) Drop corp* and go to the level 4 and do 4-6


This will drive the aggressor nuts. Sure they can probe you down, but catching a venture in a mining mission, or on station undock/dock is very hard. Even if they can catch you the kill not worth much. You can also switch to a tankier/faster T1 miner for the level 3/4 missions as you'll recoup the cost in a few missions. You will lose a few ships figuring out how to run, and traveling between systems, but honestly the worst thing they can do is mine your mission rocks. Sure if they blow up your ship with a hold full of ore you'll have to ditch the mission, but generally that's not a big deal.

*Alternately install cloaks, and warp stabs in the ventures. This will be enough for travel outside a trade hub or the udema pipe. If you want larger mining barges you can have one guy drop corp, and haul the mining barges into system. People will say you are cowards for dropping corp for travel, but a look at the corp history of most war deccers will reveal they drop/switch corp constantly the time, and those that don't use neutral alts a lot.

Another good way to avoid warp decs and mine is to look on the map for an isolated LS system with little/no traffic/kills/pilots and a HS gate. Mine in a belt in your ventures that isn't the top or bottom gate. If someone comes in system warp to station. (It will be just like mining in NS.)

This is why wardecs are pointless there is no reason for the defender to fight, and there is no better way to fight back than to bore or frustrate you enemy into dropping the war dec.

If 2 seconds of effort is enough to make them not log in, are you sure they actually like the game?

/rambling on

If you don't want war, join an NPC corp. Eve is a competitive MMO. As soon as you log in you are involved in PvP. Regardless if it's market PvP and constantly having to adjust your prices against another seller of whatever product you are selling, blowing up space pixels, "fighting" other miners for the juiciest ore in a mining belt, or beating the next person to "x" exploration site.

There are ways to get around virtually any aspect of eve. Get war dec'd? Fight back. Higher mercs to fight for you. Join an NPC corp and chat with your friends on TS.

Forcing others to play your way just because it inconveniences you is ridiculous and childish. When they war dec you, it's not forcing you to play there way since you have tons of options to deal with said war dec. Yet, for some reason, you only ever see the carebears bitching to have things changed. High sec wars / espionage / "griefing" have been nerfed for so many years, those folks have learned not to *****, but to adapt and continue having fun. Maybe you should do the same?

/rambling off

Wot? Mercs going out of their way to help carebears to carry on their activites during a wardec?

What happened to 'EVE players are all trolls and griefers'?

/sarcasm

This is actually an excellent point. So let's try to consider the miner's point of view, for a moment.

Say he's a casual gamer, knows only the bare minimum about EVE mechanics, would never consider PVP-ing and often plays AFK.

Say he's not stupid nor whiny. He knows he can be suicide-ganked, so he tanks his ship well. If determined gankers blow him up anyway, he posts 'gf' in local and reships without shedding a single tear.

Is he the best EVE player? Hell, no. But here's the important part:

Do EVE highsec mechanics allow him to mine all he wants, even AFK, with just a very low probability of being ganked? YES!

Now his corp gets wardecced. After 24 hours, what was arguably the easiest activity in EVE (highsec mining in a properly tanked ship) suddenly becomes one of the hardest! Not impossible, sure (also depending on the deccers' determination), but pretty damn hard.

I'm all for non-consensual wardecs, but I admit a game where a specific activity (mining) is trivially easy and effortless 99% of the time, then suddenly becomes 'hardcore' because some unknown dude wardecced you, can be slightly confusing at least to casual players.