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Patch note wording wrong? Or did i just waste a bunch of training?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#21 - 2014-05-30 06:09:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Domanique Altares wrote:
Tippia wrote:
what kind of oddball remap do you have if neither Memory nor Perception has any extra points put into it?

The ganglink kind, most likely.

Pff. You slog through those with a regular Per/Wil remap because even if you max out everything in that group, it's still not enough to warrant its own special remap.

…this from someone who has 15.9M SP in Leadership. P

Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
Why would i go searching through the forum post for a piece of information i didn't even know existed?
Because it's standard procedure with dev blogs. Read the comments — in particular the dev posts that are conveniently chain-linked from the dev tags on each post — and let the blog simmer for a week before acting so a good amount of posts have time to accumulate.
Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#22 - 2014-05-30 06:11:08 UTC
Tippia wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Except for the part where they lose something they trained for.

He was explicitly training to get LDO and MDO, so no, he's not losing anything.
He had all the time in the world to get SDO up, but chose not to — he equally explicitly did not train for drone control range.



Its not like i have alts i may have just started that i was training with.
Its not like i could have possibly had a friend join the game and i was helping him with training the right skills

Nope it must be that This specific character that ive played for 7years with did not train scout drone operation.

(Hint: I have both scout and combat drone V on this character)

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#23 - 2014-05-30 06:13:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Pff. You slog through those with a regular Per/Wil remap because even if you max out everything in that group, it's still not enough to warrant its own special remap.



Most people, yes. ;)

EVE is, however, full of snowflakes.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2014-05-30 06:13:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
Its not like i have alts i may have just started that i was training with.
Its not like i could have possibly had a friend join the game and i was helping him with training the right skills

Nope it must be that This specific character that ive played for 7years with did not train scout drone operation.
…which doesn't change anything of what I said — in fact, it just further reinforces it. You're not losing anything. If you (or they) didn't deem drone control range important enough to train for, then it wasn't important enough to train for so no loss there either. You can still just train the skill at the normal pace and get the range bonuses whenever they do become important.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2014-05-30 06:13:39 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Except for the part where they lose something they trained for.


There's a wide selection of ointments and suppositories that can help with the massive amounts of assmad that you seem to be experiencing. (Hint: Not everyone trained that skill to get DLA II. Some of us couldn't give less of a **** about them.)

It's not "assmad", it's pointing out that this goes against CCP's stated policy.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#26 - 2014-05-30 06:17:49 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

It's not "assmad", it's pointing out that this goes against CCP's stated policy.


It's repeatedly bellyaching about an as yet unfinished and unreleased expansion; other than the current SiSi build, there is no guarantee that they will violate that policy.
Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#27 - 2014-05-30 06:17:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
Its not like i have alts i may have just started that i was training with.
Its not like i could have possibly had a friend join the game and i was helping him with training the right skills

Nope it must be that This specific character that ive played for 7years with did not train scout drone operation.
…which doesn't change anything of what I said — in fact, it just further reinforces it. You're not losing anything.



No, im not losing anything. I never said i was going to lose anything, i said that in comparison to training scout drone which is faster and gets me the extra lvl V skill i wouldnt have had by training combat drone V that i had wasted that time.

Its not a big deal for me, but i am a little upset that my new player friend has now wasted 4-5days training which to him right now is important because CCP didnt take a second to update the orignal dev post or to post a new article letting us know.

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Because it's standard procedure with dev blogs. Read the comments — in particular the dev posts that are conveniently chain-linked from the dev tags on each post — and let the blog simmer for a week before acting so a good amount of posts have time to accumulate.


From my experience any changes have been officially announced or amended in the either the dev blog or a new article. I shouldnt have to sift through 20 pages of random crap to find all the dev posts and make sure they are informing us correctly

Ive never mistrained anything to do with skill changes in patches, i feel frustrated that despite my efforts to stay informed CCP makes it harder then it needs to be

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2014-05-30 06:25:38 UTC
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
No, im not losing anything. I never said i was going to lose anything
…but James did, and that's who I was responding to.

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From my experience any changes have been officially announced or amended in the either the dev blog or a new article.
Sometimes. Not always. And you have to pay attention for that too. Since you already have to pay attention, just do it to the comment thread instead — it's often easer to see the changes that way since it's trivial and very quick to browse through the dev posts.

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i feel frustrated that despite my efforts to stay informed CCP makes it harder then it needs to be
…efforts that for no good reason exclude keeping track of what the devs say in response to feedback.
Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#29 - 2014-05-30 06:37:24 UTC
Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:
Two days after dev blog was posted, as easy to find dev post:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4431589#post4431589

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=347938
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348011
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=341793

endless discussion in circles broken by lock: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=343150


2nd thread is not relevant, asking a totally different question that i already know the answer to
3rd thread, not relevant, it was clearly stated in the dev blog what they were doing (you know except for the SDO part)
4th thead, very useful, but if i wasnt on the forum that day before it got buried then **** me right?
5th thead also not relevent, same as the 3rd thread, already know answer

None of these addressed my question, which was why did CCP not make this change publicly available outside of 1 forum post?

Surely it wouldn't have been much effort to make a article appear on the eve launcher letting everyone know, especially if you all think that everyone and their mother had been making threads about it.



Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#30 - 2014-05-30 06:40:57 UTC
Quote:
i feel frustrated that despite my efforts to stay informed CCP makes it harder then it needs to be…efforts that for no good reason exclude keeping track of what the devs say in response to feedback.


Really? because every single features and ideas thread with changes has had an amendment at the top saying 'LOOK WE CHANGED STUFF'

This thread didn't and i don't believe its unreasonable to ask CCP to broadcast a change such as this more publicly then just the forum thread.

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2014-05-30 06:43:08 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

It's not "assmad", it's pointing out that this goes against CCP's stated policy.


It's repeatedly bellyaching about an as yet unfinished and unreleased expansion; other than the current SiSi build, there is no guarantee that they will violate that policy.

It's pretty ******** to say "oh it's only on SiSi not talking about it is definitely better than pointing out potential problems."

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2014-05-30 06:46:08 UTC
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
2nd thread is not relevant, asking a totally different question that i already know the answer to
3rd thread, not relevant, it was clearly stated in the dev blog what they were doing (you know except for the SDO part)
4th thead, very useful, but if i wasnt on the forum that day before it got buried then **** me right?
5th thead also not relevent, same as the 3rd thread, already know answer

None of these addressed my question
…and yet they are all relevant since they inform you of the nature of the change.

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why did CCP not make this change publicly available outside of 1 forum post?
Because that one forum post was all it took to make it (very) public, as demonstrated by all those threads?

Quote:
Really? because every single features and ideas thread with changes has had an amendment at the top saying 'LOOK WE CHANGED STUFF'
1. No.
2. This wasn't an F&I thread.
3. Irrespective of your excuses, your “efforts” still exclude keeping track of what the devs say in response to feedback, for no good reason.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#33 - 2014-05-30 06:54:05 UTC
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
remember when this was important to you to?


No

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#34 - 2014-05-30 06:55:13 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

It's not "assmad", it's pointing out that this goes against CCP's stated policy.


It's repeatedly bellyaching about an as yet unfinished and unreleased expansion; other than the current SiSi build, there is no guarantee that they will violate that policy.

It's pretty ******** to say "oh it's only on SiSi not talking about it is definitely better than pointing out potential problems."


Yes, and the drone skill split was broken for nearly two weeks on SiSi.

It's a good thing they didn't go fix that, at all.

Except that they did; and it didn't require your constant complaints in multiple threads to get it done.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#35 - 2014-05-30 06:55:26 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

It's pretty ******** to say "oh it's only on SiSi not talking about it is definitely better than pointing out potential problems."


More or less ******** than at least four threads about something that hasnt even been released?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2014-05-30 06:56:39 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Domanique Altares wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

It's not "assmad", it's pointing out that this goes against CCP's stated policy.


It's repeatedly bellyaching about an as yet unfinished and unreleased expansion; other than the current SiSi build, there is no guarantee that they will violate that policy.

It's pretty ******** to say "oh it's only on SiSi not talking about it is definitely better than pointing out potential problems."


Yes, and the drone skill split was broken for nearly two weeks on SiSi.

It's a good thing they didn't go fix that, at all.

Except that they did; and it didn't require your constant complaints in multiple threads to get it done.

How do you know it's broken and not what they intend to do? Especially considering Kronos is coming out in 4 days.
They explicitly told us what they were going to do with the drone skill split, so it was obviously broken on sisi.
They still haven't said anything about what skill is going to unlock T2 DLAs.

Don't ******* tell me you trust CCP to do everything right.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#37 - 2014-05-30 06:58:06 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
2nd thread is not relevant, asking a totally different question that i already know the answer to
3rd thread, not relevant, it was clearly stated in the dev blog what they were doing (you know except for the SDO part)
4th thead, very useful, but if i wasnt on the forum that day before it got buried then **** me right?
5th thead also not relevent, same as the 3rd thread, already know answer

None of these addressed my question
…and yet they are all relevant since they inform you of the nature of the change.

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why did CCP not make this change publicly available outside of 1 forum post?
Because that one forum post was all it took to make it (very) public, as demonstrated by all those threads?

Quote:
Really? because every single features and ideas thread with changes has had an amendment at the top saying 'LOOK WE CHANGED STUFF'
1. No.
2. This wasn't an F&I thread.
3. Irrespective of your excuses, your “efforts” still exclude keeping track of what the devs say in response to feedback, for no good reason.



1. Noo...those threads save for one did nothing but ask questions that had ALREADY been answered by the dev blog
2. Devs responding to feedback is different then devs making rather important changes to the game and informing no-one other then that thread.

I don't quite understand why you are against me asking for more viability for important information. There is no good reason to ever be against more viability for things like this which leads me to think you are just trolling because you can. 'Oh some poor person didn't read every dev post ever, because they reasonably expected that any important changes would be broadcast to a larger audience. Lets laugh at them!'

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2014-05-30 06:58:48 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

It's pretty ******** to say "oh it's only on SiSi not talking about it is definitely better than pointing out potential problems."


More or less ******** than at least four threads about something that hasnt even been released?

Less, admittedly.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#39 - 2014-05-30 07:00:35 UTC
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:

I don't quite understand why you are against me asking for more viability for important information.

1) Its not important

2) Its not reliable information

3) There's no guaruntee ANY of this will even happen

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#40 - 2014-05-30 07:03:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
1. Noo...those threads save for one did nothing but ask questions that had ALREADY been answered by the dev blog
…and yet they are all relevant since they inform you of the nature of the change.


Quote:
2. Devs responding to feedback is different then devs making rather important changes to the game and informing no-one other then that thread.
Not really, no, since the changes are a response to feedback. That's exactly why you should keep an eye on the comment threads and not just immediately act on the dev blog (especially if the final implementation is months away).

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I don't quite understand why you are against me asking for more viability for important information.
Because you weren't asking for more visibility — you were trying to blame others for your own mistakes.