EVE General Discussion

Yeah maybe on a console action game.

The reason we're not playing a console action game is because we want to play an MMO that's not a console action game.

No way. I've lost a buddy playing EVE because of that "interesting" mechanic. We was a group of 3 guys and did some data-site. As far I remember we looted everything and got less then 10k ISK. He said it was the most boring thing he did in his live ever and quit. If you get crap "the funny" way it could be pretty anoying. A few seconds afterwards (he left already) we got some kill in the same site from some one that tried to steal our "richness" of further dunno 1000 ISK :) - So in my opinion my buddy was wrong regarding EVE because the sandbox itself is still fun. But regarding that loot spew I could confirm that I think it pretty sucks.

I like the meta games... but some people don't. I don't like auto anything(mining is not an auto task it just gives you breaks to check the stove between cycles)

Very true.

+1

The problem was that to get scanning bonuses and combat bonuses onto one ship you needed a T3, which created a barrier to exploration to new players, who ended up never trying it at all, going into missions instead and made it a niche thing. Exploration arbs and vexors were a clumsy solution. The scanning frigates had no pve use at all unless you multiboxed, which is another barrier to new players (at least normal ones), or if you reshipped which kept you tied down to one area and defeating the meaning of exploitation, and worse, tied people down to empire.

The strange thing about this is that several fixes came out long after Odyssey being 1. the SoE ships (solved bonus problem) and 2. The Mobile Depot (solved reshipping problem). I'd say the depot is in fact the biggest buff to exploration (both the profession of exploration, and literally exploring space) and it wasn't even an Odyssey thing. With these two things rats in exploration sites don't pose the problems they did before. The SoE ships was the real strange one as it really was locking the stable door after the horse bolts, for k-space sites at least. They would have made perfect sense in pre odyssey exploration. I don't think rats will ever come back in k-space hacking, but there's a chance for deep exploration content in the future where stratios and nestor make more sense.

Loot spew sucks. Its not a compelling or gratifying mechanic given the other steps involved...allow me to elucidate...

1) Probe down a site
2) Watch local while hacking said site in losec/null so you don't get zapped
3) Hack the site, often having the juiciest/hardest sites explode in your face -- despite max skills, implants and rigs.
4) Having to abandon a hack when someone enters local and you cloak up to stay safe

Adding another pain point to the mix in the form of loot spew was big time excessive, at least for people actually running these sites outside hisec in low or null.

Removing spew doesn't go far enough, the number of antiviruses etc present in the tougher hacks triggering a detonation should be reduced/nerfed also; either that or instead of detonating a site in your face (through no 'failure' in your method, just a ton of antivirus hitting you), the site 'freezes' for 15 minutes or something.

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It's the worst mechanic ever!!!

It's also one the reasons I stopped doing exploration when Odyssey launched and hence stopped playing the game.

Honnestly i'll miss the loot spew because i became very good at it .But i think Devs can come with better and more fun mechanics,especiallly if they complexify the hacking game .

-It would be great if we could have the multicore system we discussed + a timer who would increase decrease with the numbers of movement u need to get ride of nodes .
-Making the containers unscannable is also an important move to avoid cherry picking .

I like the hacking. Loot spew not so much. I started playing after Oddysey so the only rats I have run into in data or relic sites are the drones at the abandoned drone sites that spawn when you fail to hack the container. I figured that someone forgot to take them out of the game.

That said, I would have never gotten into exploration as a new player if there had been really tough rats at the sites. I thought it was cool that a new player could take a frigate into null and make some serious ISK. If I had needed a T3 cruiser to do the sites with I would have probably quit after 3 months of playing due to having to do boring crap like mine or run combat sites to make ISK.

I wil miss loot spew, it was perhaps the only PVE thing in Eve you can do with as a two person team and fell like the other person contriuted in a meaning full way.
But It seems that instead of trying to make more PVE content for the sub 5 person group, CCP would rather cave in to the deamand of those hunteing for MAX/ISK pr hour.

CCP why don't ypu use some dev time on developing some propper PVE tools instead?