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Bearded Forum Alt
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-05-29 20:13:21 UTC
Eve needs an official, central, reliable killboard. Why is this not a thing?
I'm not even sure how to make this post longer, or more useful.
Please give us an official killboard.
Iain Cariaba
#2 - 2014-05-29 20:17:16 UTC
+1

Why do we not have this?
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#3 - 2014-05-29 20:19:21 UTC
would like, tho i imagine this will be hard to do.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-05-29 20:22:42 UTC
Yes!! I very much support this!!
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-05-29 20:24:22 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
would like, tho i imagine this will be hard to do.


Why would it be that hard? Eve's existing Kill Mail system basically does what it needs to, just need to make that information public and searchable.
Iain Cariaba
#6 - 2014-05-29 20:48:37 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
would like, tho i imagine this will be hard to do.


Why would it be that hard? Eve's existing Kill Mail system basically does what it needs to, just need to make that information public and searchable.


CCP already puts this information out, otherwise the existing killboards wouldn't exist.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#7 - 2014-05-29 21:46:21 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Paul Panala wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
would like, tho i imagine this will be hard to do.


Why would it be that hard? Eve's existing Kill Mail system basically does what it needs to, just need to make that information public and searchable.


CCP already puts this information out, otherwise the existing killboards wouldn't exist.


the existing kill mails break alot of the time. hence this thread.

as with pretty much everything in eve. the 3rd party stuff works better than the in game stuff. so with the 3rd party stuff breaking, i anticipate difficulties. not because of any techy logic i have, i have none, just because past experience suggests so.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-05-29 21:55:28 UTC
Kill mails are overrated.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-05-29 22:00:27 UTC
Not that I wouldn't think it would be interesting.. BUT.. Given that we have so many killboards, this should in no way be a priority for CCP.

Now an ingame one would be interesting, with the clicky links.. but again.. Lets deal with the other stuff first before we add a new "distraction".. get the new API fully up and running for example..
Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#10 - 2014-05-29 22:03:12 UTC
Hey guys, check this thing out. It's round, and it's got this thing in the middle called, get this, an "axle", and it does great things involving friction.

Wait, what?

Oh, I thought it was new idea.

Overhaul Dscan!
Bearded Forum Alt
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-05-30 00:42:41 UTC
Ines Tegator wrote:
Hey guys, check this thing out. It's round, and it's got this thing in the middle called, get this, an "axle", and it does great things involving friction.

Wait, what?

Oh, I thought it was new idea.


I guess I did need to say more.

What we have are third-party tools which display data offered by players and corporations. These tools are unreliable, because there isn't a single one of them which all players and all corporations offer data to. That's why the various killboards that we have are inconsistent.

I would like that data to be displayed by CCP, automatically. This would make the displayed data reliable and comprehensive.

Ines Tegator wrote:
Kill mails are overrated.


The rankings that the various killboard sites display are overrated. The data itself is invaluable. For example: it is the single best way for players to evaluate the character of corporations, and for corporations to evaluate the character of characters. Corp website and recruiters can say whatever they want; killboards tell a better story.

I don't care about who kills more often with an incursus; I care alot about which 'pvp' corps are actually active, and which indy corps are hemorrhaging barges. And so on.
scimichar
Deep Hole Explorers of New Eden
#12 - 2014-05-30 00:53:53 UTC
Why should CCP maintain ($$$) a killboard, when others are willing to make and maintain them, for free.
Bearded Forum Alt
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-05-30 01:01:04 UTC
scimichar wrote:
Why should CCP maintain ($$$) a killboard, when others are willing to make and maintain them, for free.


Neither you nor I have any clue about how much it would cost for CCP to display kill mail data, over and above what it costs them to run the Eve Gate site. Let's not pretend that we do.
Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#14 - 2014-05-30 02:29:49 UTC
Bearded Forum Alt wrote:


I guess I did need to say more.

What we have are third-party tools which display data offered by players and corporations. These tools are unreliable, because there isn't a single one of them which all players and all corporations offer data to. That's why the various killboards that we have are inconsistent.

I would like that data to be displayed by CCP, automatically. This would make the displayed data reliable and comprehensive.


Consider your point clarified. I retract my smartassitude.

Well, the comment in question anyway. I'll always be a smartass Twisted

Overhaul Dscan!
shimiku
Zircron Industries
#15 - 2014-05-30 09:09:45 UTC
i think the devs sayed some where that they dont focus on stuff the third party software did well
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#16 - 2014-05-30 09:27:16 UTC
scimichar wrote:
Why should CCP maintain ($$$) a killboard, when others are willing to make and maintain them, for free.

I think this is one of the primary reasons why the system is the way it is. CCP puts out the information at minimal cost and effort for themselves and lets other people spend the time and effort to compile and manage it in more or less exactly the form players want. And when things break (they always break at some point) CCP doesn't take the blame and doesn't have to spent the time and effort to fix it... allowing them to focus on things they want to focus on.

It's a pretty sweet deal if you ask me.

How did you Veterans start?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-05-30 09:38:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Omnathious Deninard
Bearded Forum Alt wrote:
scimichar wrote:
Why should CCP maintain ($$$) a killboard, when others are willing to make and maintain them, for free.


Neither you nor I have any clue about how much it would cost for CCP to display kill mail data, over and above what it costs them to run the Eve Gate site. Let's not pretend that we do.

The simple fact is, it would cost CCP to maintain, and right now 3rd parties are doing it for free.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Velenia Ankletickler
Silverflames
#18 - 2014-05-30 10:36:13 UTC
Definitely don't want this.

Killboards are bad enough already.
Bearded Forum Alt
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-05-30 18:36:31 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
CCP puts out the information at minimal cost and effort for themselves and lets other people spend the time and effort to compile and manage it in more or less exactly the form players want. And when things break (they always break at some point) CCP doesn't take the blame and doesn't have to spent the time and effort to fix it... allowing them to focus on things they want to focus on.


Your explanation as to why there isn't an official killboard is plausable, and very likely to be true.

This thread is now about the merits of having centralized, comprehensive kill data made available. It doesn't have to be a CCP killboard. It could be like a kill data dump API, which third-party tools can scrape. That would be preferable to getting the data via character APIs.

Someone go make a thread about doing this for market data, too.
Bearded Forum Alt
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-05-30 18:41:10 UTC
Velenia Ankletickler wrote:
Definitely don't want this.

Killboards are bad enough already.


Do go on.
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