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I live in a culture of sexual repression and sometimes we forget that.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-05-29 20:33:30 UTC
I realize this every once in a while when I think about the negative impacts of this culture and how it sometimes controls our lives. Recently, I was listening to the the music artist 'Lights', specifically her album Siberia. While listening to this music I was gazing at the album cover and studying this image closely, as I often do.

Here is that album cover: LIGHTS_SIBERIA
Take a look at it before you read on. It's relevant.

So I was gazing at this image of the singer 'Lights', and thinking to myself what a pretty lady. She has a funny accent but it's cute. She's got amazing hair, and that plaid shirt she's wearing says she wants to let the world know that a redneck can look stylish.

Then I realize just how much sideboob is showing here. No really, it took me a few times restarting the album before I noticed. It's only strange to me because almost every guy I know would have spotted that and pointed it out much sooner. A lot of gals I know probably would too. But if Lights were a guy and showing that much chest, nobody would care. Sure, women everywhere would swoon over a guy like that dressing provocatively, but you wouldn't get that rabble-rabble of hordes of sexually repressed people reacting with an outcry to the horror that a man would show his skin in public. It wouldn't be a big deal. It really isn't a big deal.

But we still make a big deal about women showing skin. Why? It's just skin. And don't say it's because women have boobs. Men have breasts too. Most straight women find a man more attractive if he has flat boobs, conversely most straight men prefer if a woman has a significant amount of fatty padding behind and around those tiny mammary glands. Why is one preference worthy of covering up, while the other isn't? Should we cover up the chests of men who don't have boobs? Should we let women without boobs go out with no shirt on? And above all, why does it matter? Why don't we just stop making people wear shirts?

Now I'd like to go back to thinking happy thoughts about Lights and her awesome shirt, without having these cultural nightmares pervading in and derailing my thought process. Maybe someday people won't have to deal with these problems.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-05-29 20:50:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Matilda Cecilia Fock
Sideboob? WHAT sideboob? ¬¬

Q: Should we be worried? A: Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or Xhagen leaves.

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-05-29 20:55:08 UTC
Sideboob is view of BWN

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Marsha Mallow
#4 - 2014-05-29 21:11:48 UTC
It's not so much repression as extreme display as a form of subjugation. Doesn't help when women buy into it and become active participants. There's also a reason (without being too overty political) that non western societies are aligning themselves in opposition. It's a real shame that feminism has become so discredited by academia since the 70s, oh wait hang on, that's a shock. I'm at uni at the moment and everytime feminist theory is mentioned the lecturers quite literally roll their eyes (including the women). Maybe the strident tone has switched people off, and maybe they went too far in the 70s and 80s. But our modern imagery suggests - they weren't altogether misplaced in their arguments, eh.

What strikes me with that pic, she's cute, she looks really young (which is another element of the problem) and tbh I don't even notice her boobs. So who is that image supposed to appeal to?

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-05-29 21:19:52 UTC
She would have been 24 years at the time the Siberia album was released.

I don't fully understand the negative light that feminisim has gotten. I understand that most people believe whatever they hear, but it doesn't take more than about a 5 minute search on Google to discover that feminism is about equality for the sexes, and is basically aligned with most of the trends western culture is moving toward anyway. So I don't understand when people who generally stand out for being skeptical will fall into the trap of hating feminism because they're all a bunch of hypocritical ball-busting bítches. I'm a feminist and no, we're not that.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#6 - 2014-05-29 21:19:52 UTC
Didn't your dad have a little talk with you about this when you were a lad? Lol
Men and women are different etc. Wired differently. Men are generally attracted to the soft curves of women, by nature. Women, no one can figure out, not even a man that pretends to be one, or gets his junk chopped off. But that particular curvy region of their bodies are sensitive and can more easily be manipulated into sexual arousal. So if women ran around with all their boobs flinging around, us guys would more likely be tempted to grope them and try to get them all aroused for what comes next... or so we would hope.

I'm in it for the money

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-05-29 21:23:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Webvan wrote:
So if women ran around with all their boobs flinging around, us guys would more likely be tempted to grope them and try to get them all aroused for what comes next... or so we would hope.
If that's the reason we force women to cover their skin, then they should be required to cover their vulva, nipples, back of the neck, and a few other sensitive spots I haven't found yet--and nothing else.

I'm pretty sure that's not it, but good guess.

Women aren't that much more sensitive than men. Well, unless those men have had their genitals mutilated.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#8 - 2014-05-29 21:40:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:


Women aren't that much more sensitive than men. Well, unless those men have had their genitals mutilated.

uh yeah they are, big time. Their tolerance to pain and pleasure is generally ~50% lower than their male counterparts from clinical psychology studies. That was even evident to me when I was in grade school... I mean there was the occasional boy I could punch and make cry like a school girl, but psychologically that is more in his head. Just like guys that get their junk cut off and start pulling on their nipples, it's in their head, not in their nature. You cant rewire a PC to become an apple. They can undergo conditioning training, raise tolerance in some regards, but the underlining base differences are still there, and quite different.

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#9 - 2014-05-29 23:01:41 UTC
i can't even form a basic opinion about this thread yet.

must be all that different wiring i'm apparently equipped with.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#10 - 2014-05-29 23:32:20 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
i can't even form a basic opinion about this thread yet.

must be all that different wiring i'm apparently equipped with.

/sarc ?
Post with your main Blink
I don't think it has anything with your avatar gender selection though... and not a good shot at the very intelligent women I know which my posts take no volley at whatsoever.

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#11 - 2014-05-30 00:10:14 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
]If that's the reason we force women to cover their skin, then they should be required to cover their vulva, nipples, back of the neck, and a few other sensitive spots I haven't found yet--and nothing else.


well...i know i generally keep two of those listed things covered lol

Webvan wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
i can't even form a basic opinion about this thread yet.

must be all that different wiring i'm apparently equipped with.


/sarc ?
Post with your main Blink
I don't think it has anything with your avatar gender selection though... and not a good shot at the very intelligent women I know which my posts take no volley at whatsoever.


huh?

but, yes, i was being a little bit sarcastic.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#12 - 2014-05-30 00:47:32 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:

but, yes, i was being a little bit sarcastic.


I have wondered for some time why contemporary feminism equates acknowledgement of differences as being admission of fundamental inferiority.

It's pretty well insane.

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One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
#13 - 2014-05-30 00:57:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Karl Jerr
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:

but, yes, i was being a little bit sarcastic.


I have wondered for some time why contemporary feminism equates acknowledgement of differences as being admission of fundamental inferiority.

It's pretty well insane.

Because to pass for an eternal victim is the way to go in our so called progressist and weak societies.
Look around you, less and less people take on their **** as adults.
How to have men and women when people act like self-entitled brats.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#14 - 2014-05-30 02:03:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
^Self-entitlement and insanity [of false victimization(e.g.contemporary feminism)] go hand in hand imo, which in turn we start to loose our identities thus only compounding the problems of such a society; we all become self-entitled victims. If I could have only been there to witness first hand the fall of Rome.

Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
huh?
Ah! a spy it is then. Good to know Smile

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-05-30 03:12:09 UTC
I feel compelled to point out that sideboob is from the side and not the front. So that is frontboob. Which is like the peanut smuggler's version of cleavage. These are scientific terms.

Not that I would know anything about boobs. I'm sure they're nice to have. Grr, genetics. Straight

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-05-30 03:29:03 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:

but, yes, i was being a little bit sarcastic.


I have wondered for some time why contemporary feminism equates acknowledgement of differences as being admission of fundamental inferiority.

It's pretty well insane.

I don't think that's quite correct. The differences are fairly obvious and I'm not sure there needs to be extended discussion about what these differences are.. we've known them as long as we've existed as a species. What isn't obvious, and what is frequently ignored and marginalized is the similarities, equality of capabilities of the two genders.

Of course we're different. But you don't need a feminist to educate men about that. What some men frequently forget is how similar we are to them.

Feminism, if expressed properly is an exploration of these similarities and how they can be used to open a discussion about political, social, economic equality. I agree that this idea is very frequently expressed poorly.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#17 - 2014-05-30 04:24:38 UTC
Webvan wrote:


Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
huh?
Ah! a spy it is then. Good to know Smile


lol if you say so, web.

one thing i'd like to add about the "wiring" comment is that i don't really think there is different wiring at all. i think there is only difference in perception to the information passing along the wiring and reaction to said information. there is a cultural element that can not be ignored as well.
Xenuria
#18 - 2014-05-30 04:51:31 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
I feel compelled to point out that sideboob is from the side and not the front. So that is frontboob. Which is like the peanut smuggler's version of cleavage. These are scientific terms.

Not that I would know anything about boobs. I'm sure they're nice to have. Grr, genetics. Straight



Front-boob is actually called "key-hole".
Girls at my community college did it all the time to troll the newer students.
They wear a button down but leave a single button in the center un buttoned. Hence the term key hole.
This is the "front boob" I think you are referencing.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#19 - 2014-05-30 05:05:53 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
one thing i'd like to add about the "wiring" comment is that i don't really think there is different wiring at all. i think there is only difference in perception to the information passing along the wiring and reaction to said information. there is a cultural element that can not be ignored as well.
Until you get into clinical psychology results/studies. Not speaking of the nutsy ideological shrink stuff where you lay on a couch and they pick your brain with chopsticks. But physical and mental stresses put on the body. How much stress someone can take. How much of anything... under all circumstances imaginable. All the differences with every other difference. I may not like shrinks, but clinical psychology is worth it's weight for sure. At least in that, there is no real bias as attached to most everything else such as social activism etc. When an astronaut washes out, it isn't because he/she had the wrong ideals towards fairness doctrines and social justice. From a purely scientific approach, there are certainly differences.

And really, if this social ideal is true, how come where San Francisco had no law against public full-nudity up until recently, people were not covering the streets with skin? I mean there were a few who did, mostly overweight middle-aged homosexual men, but hot looking 23 year old women were not to be seen? Cant be some form of oppression... it was 100% legal, for anyone, for years and years! But didn't happen... See, because this is where reality tends to shadow social ideology. Because one thing for sure, modesty, safety and self-preservation is simply a part of our human nature. There is no oppression going on, no one is being oppressed here, no victims.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#20 - 2014-05-30 06:07:42 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
one thing i'd like to add about the "wiring" comment is that i don't really think there is different wiring at all. i think there is only difference in perception to the information passing along the wiring and reaction to said information. there is a cultural element that can not be ignored as well.
Until you get into clinical psychology results/studies. Not speaking of the nutsy ideological shrink stuff where you lay on a couch and they pick your brain with chopsticks. But physical and mental stresses put on the body. How much stress someone can take. How much of anything... under all circumstances imaginable. All the differences with every other difference. I may not like shrinks, but clinical psychology is worth it's weight for sure. At least in that, there is no real bias as attached to most everything else such as social activism etc. When an astronaut washes out, it isn't because he/she had the wrong ideals towards fairness doctrines and social justice. From a purely scientific approach, there are certainly differences.

And really, if this social ideal is true, how come where San Francisco had no law against public full-nudity up until recently, people were not covering the streets with skin? I mean there were a few who did, mostly overweight middle-aged homosexual men, but hot looking 23 year old women were not to be seen? Cant be some form of oppression... it was 100% legal, for anyone, for years and years! But didn't happen... See, because this is where reality tends to shadow social ideology. Because one thing for sure, modesty, safety and self-preservation is simply a part of our human nature. There is no oppression going on, no one is being oppressed here, no victims.


modesty changes from one society to another. look at like pygmies or some other type. walk around naked all the time. it a matter of culture and raising. i was raised to not expose myself all over the place lol. so not even san fran's laws would have compelled me to do otherwise because there is that cultural raising at play.
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