Player Features and Ideas Discussion

@Xequecal:

You are pretty much right in those thoughts.

But I would point out that the Ishtar is a problem for a lot of reasons, not just the Rattlesnake. It's just overpowered as a whole.

Snake with 2 T2 rigors 1 T1 Flare 2 TP 1 DLAII and 2 Omnis will have very high damage application. it has the slots to pull it off, unlike the fleet phoon, Which is the closest thing to the new snake.

Now CCP Rise 10 - ISD Ezwal 16?

[Insert explanation about thread life cycles here]...

If you can passive tank a gila for 500dps and still do 700dps (rubicon), then shouldnt the rat do it better?

As far as the passive tank thing goes...

It's not wrong to passive tank a Rattlesnake at all. It's not going to be a good PVP fit, but PVE works on a sliding scale between DPS and Tank, and the more of one that you have the less of the other you need. If you were doing a lot of PvE against a faction like Bloodraiders it is exceptionally useful, and certainly the Rattler has a sufficient passive tank for most general PvE use, well beyond what it needs if you focus on sniping.

It's also not wrong to buffer or active fit the tank. That resist bonus isn't specialized against anyone in particular, and tons of math shows that the resist bonus works just as well for active tanking as it does for passive and buffer tanking. ASB's make active tanking nearly as resilient to neuting as the passive fits, especially for PvP purposes which are in general not endurance races, and obviously if you are in a position to fly with Logi then buffer is the way to go, but that's almost certainly not in the majority of PvE activities. I have run level 4's in an Oneiros with some friends just to show them how silly remote reps can be, but most PvE can be handled in the old fashioned "hit it harder" way.

Both sides of that particular argument are being silly. There is a place for most everything, and few things are wrong in absolute terms.

If you have the kind of skills you should have to be flying a Rattlesnake, you can sustain an active tank under several NPC neuts since it's guns and drones are capless.

Half a dozen at least.

It's literally not even a serious consideration.

I would also like to point out that the npcs that neut/nos you are usually weak to EM and do EM damage.

These changes are somewhat thoughtless considering that the RS doesn't even have the proper type of damage bonus against the NPCs it is strongest against.

The pvp benefits of being nos/neut immune are obvious.

Passive shield tanking is what the RS does best and it makes much better use of that with missile velocity on its torpedoes for battleships and bonused light and medium drones to clean up everything else.

It doesn't need a specialize thermic and kinetic damage bonus. An additional low slot would serve what this ship does best far better.

An entire ship is not going to be balanced around your microscopic niche use for it in Blood Raider missions.

And as for EM damage, you can still use sentry drones with EM damage. In fact they are getting rebalanced, and imo the Amarr drones have an excellent statline.

Been there, seen that, done that. And doing it all again. Deja vu anyone?

I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them (again). As always I let some edge cases stay. (again)
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Because of the loss of bonuses on all its drones and change to missile specialization, decreasing the preferability of drone damage amps, the Rattlesnake will be forced to gimp its potential damage and range by equipping launchers that are capable of hitting smaller, faster targets. This makes the ship fairly weak when in combat with larger ships, especially when you consider how much easier it is to deal with 1 drone than 5.

When facing a Rattlesnake, enemies will know exactly what types of damage to tank for.

Instead of a 50% damage bonus to missiles, more slots are needed on the Rattlesnake to give strengthen to its versatility and passive tanking ability, not a specialized damage for both missiles and drones.