Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You can't fit a DCII because of fitting requirements and it won't happen because you would be able to effectively double your tank which is more than 3 bulkheads can do alone and still have the ability to fit other mods.

Incorrect, and you clearly have never run a fleet of actual people-cats (i.e. a formup that takes longer than thirty minutes will not happen).

Yes, I have run the numbers, no it didn't change much cause M3 didn't change much and isotopes used haven't changed much other than the 50% increase.

Well ...... Will this allow warp stabs to be installed in the lows?

As a manufacturing oriented player, I am very pleased with those freighter changes !

that ur not meant to be able to create the old freighters?

there are ways to improve upon certain stats at the expense of others.

Welcome to choice.

You now don't get your cake and eat it too, you have to chose between Cargo Space, Tank, More warp speed, Agility, etc.

Also, seriously, go back and look at what you haul.. And think how much often you haul enough to be WORTH Ganking, AND fill your Freighter..
It'll be less than you think.. I haul a LOT, and 95% of the time it's either a lot of cheap stuff, or something "small" and really expensive.

As someone who hauls a fair bit, I love the changes.. I can fit max tank and haul something expensive to Jita.. then fit warp mods to get home faster, or cargo and bring a lot of worthless stuff home.. More choice.. And the fact that there's no one fit to get it back what it is now, doesn't bother me.. Cause everyone else has had to deal with their ship changing at some point.. You think it's a hit on Haulers, look at the changes that happened when the other lines of ships were rebalanced.. some lost, some gained, most changed in some way. Adapt.

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My heart bleeds for the null sec alliances, we know how little ISK they got and how tough it will be for them to afford their fuel bills with the crappy ice, moons and ore they have in abundance. Hell maybe they will have to work for a living or put the bot renters rent up. Maybe CCP should buff industry in null sec and screw high sec industry into the stone age just to give them a boost to ensure CCP can sell more titan battles. I don't seem to recall CCP posting a tweet about an ice belt being mined out or my old corp making 200 T2 cruisers in a week?

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Sorry to interrupt this discussion but I came looking for a discussion of Freighter and JF's

Only comment I found relevant on this page was a request to make all of them armor tank.

I disagree. Each race has its own flavour and its own design choices. Homogenization of the freighters would negate the need for the choices and we might as well just can the lot of them and go with one Freighter and one JF both made by Ore.

I do not want that, do you?

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Well played. Well played.


Smooth. The simple minds won't even notice that you are actually decreasing real Freighter capabilities.

Distract them to think they are getting more carrying capacity with expanders then increase most significant cargo sizes (ore, packaged, capitals, station containers, etc) to take it away. And while the wise heads are busy saying "no net change in cargo carried" -- few notice they also gave up speed and hits to use those cargo expanders to break even. JFs can't even break even.

And then there are all those options that tempt players to accept major reduction and carrying capacity for inertial stabs etc.

Freighters were too powerful and too easily guarded. These changes will increase freighter exposure to pirates by requiring more trips and possibly spreading the protective fleets more thinly.