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What will happen if Scout Drones V is half-way trained before Kronos?

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2014-05-29 01:23:46 UTC
Hyuni wrote:
The problem is that some people trained 768k sp so as to be prepared for this change and as far as anyone has said we're being granted new skills exactly the same as people who trained only 256k sp. So we've now wasted an additional week+ of training time to prepare for an announced change that was then modified 30 some pages deep in a discussion thread. It's frustrating having wasted that training time when it could have been better spent.


I'm sure everyone who lost billions speculating on the capital rig market for the freighter changes could have found better way for that pile of ISK. Shall we reimburse them as well?

You're not getting a refund. Just drop it.

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Tronity Neutronux
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2014-05-29 01:46:10 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Shall we reimburse them as well?


Who is we? Are you talking for CCP? If you read the previous post of Hyuni you might see that there are still people affected by that issue right now.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2014-05-29 02:09:49 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Tronity Neutronux wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Shall we reimburse them as well?


Who is we? Are you talking for CCP? If you read the previous post of Hyuni you might see that there are still people affected by that issue right now.


'We' as in the collective EVE community, including the devs. Used it as a general term more than anything else. Don't read so much into it.

And what issue is this? That some people who didn't already have a useful skill to V have now trained it to V because of announced changes that weren't actually finalized yet?

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Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2014-05-29 02:12:00 UTC
Hyuni wrote:
Really would love to actually hear some kind of official response.

They have made an official response. You're not getting free SP.

Also, why did you think you would need this? CCP's policy has been "if you can fly now you can fly it after. So, why did you train the skill? Did you think CCP was gonna take away your ability to use drones? They never have and never will.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2014-05-29 02:15:43 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Rowells wrote:
Hyuni wrote:
Really would love to actually hear some kind of official response.

They have made an official response. You're not getting free SP.

Also, why did you think you would need this? CCP's policy has been "if you can fly now you can fly it after. So, why did you train the skill? Did you think CCP was gonna take away your ability to use drones? They never have and never will.


Because you get free SP out of it in the form of a completely new skill at the level of the old one.

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Hyuni
Conqueror Worm Limited
#26 - 2014-05-29 03:16:09 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Hyuni wrote:
Really would love to actually hear some kind of official response.

They have made an official response. You're not getting free SP.

Also, why did you think you would need this? CCP's policy has been "if you can fly now you can fly it after. So, why did you train the skill? Did you think CCP was gonna take away your ability to use drones? They never have and never will.


Link please?
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2014-05-29 03:30:25 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4592269#post4594548

Post #8

I think there's more but I'm on a mobile atm and searching is a *****
Hyuni
Conqueror Worm Limited
#28 - 2014-05-29 03:41:34 UTC
Rowells wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4592269#post4594548

Post #8

I think there's more but I'm on a mobile atm and searching is a *****


Thank you I had not seen that previously.
Hyuni
Conqueror Worm Limited
#29 - 2014-05-29 03:47:09 UTC
Obviously this has been argued over more then enough so I'm not going to waste my time. Just want to say I'm disappointed in CCP over the decision to remove training from characters but they're gonna do whatever they are I guess. Would prefer to see accurate communication in the future, a much better job was done with the Destroyer/BC revamp to ensure that the community at large was aware of upcoming changes and how they would & should affect training plans.

As a player, I should never have to wonder if training a skill is a waste of time because it might be erased tomorrow. Sure I'll spend lots of time wondering if it's a waste of time because some skills are terrible but that's part of the game, erasing training shouldn't be.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#30 - 2014-05-29 03:49:55 UTC
Hyuni wrote:
Obviously this has been argued over more then enough so I'm not going to waste my time. Just want to say I'm disappointed in CCP over the decision to remove training from characters but they're gonna do whatever they are I guess.
No training is being removed.
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#31 - 2014-05-29 05:58:43 UTC
It's pretty amazing to me how many people completely misunderstood (and continue to misunderstand) the process of splitting the drone skills. While it didn't apply to most of my characters who have their drone skills maxed, I thought both the reasoning and what would actually happen to the skills was abundantly clear.

I must be missing something here though, since there have been countless pages, topics, and discussions about the subject, both here and in the game itself....
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#32 - 2014-05-29 07:03:16 UTC
Tronity Neutronux wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:

yes, and no word on SP reimbursement.


...and no word on Drone Link Augmentor II as well. Maybe there is a new skill that is required for that and gain some benefit from that. But without any official answer it's some kind of guesswork either to stop the skilling if you have one of the 2 skills already at V in hope to don't waste skill-time or not because Drone Link Augmentor II is still not mentioned.


DLA II requires Drone Avionics V.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-05-29 07:04:55 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
DLA II requires Drone Avionics V.

I guarantee you it won't.

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Tronity Neutronux
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-05-29 07:09:03 UTC
Destoya wrote:
It's pretty amazing to me how many people completely misunderstood (and continue to misunderstand) the process of splitting the drone skills.


It's the dev-blogs fault. There are guys that trained both skills to V in the past (and used both skills in the past) that could savely ignore that (and seems to feel free for became busybody now). There was guys that trained Scout to V and was going to train Combat to V now. It seems that one wasted skilltime because they was already done with Scout drone at V and get trolled by the dev-blog. And there are guys (like me) that are still confused what to do. Combat Drones V is in my skillqueue because I still did not get an answer what happens to the Drone Link Augmentor II. If Scout Drones is getting renamed it does not look right to me that it includes the Drone Link Augmentor II. And even if Combat Drones becomes Medium Drones it sounds wrong. So are there just that 2 skills we are talking about? Which skills includes Drone Link Augmentor II in future? If those who only skilled Scout Drones to V are not able to use it after the update then those who skilled it right now just because of the dev-blog really did not waste skill-time.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#35 - 2014-05-29 07:21:07 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
DLA II requires Drone Avionics V.

I guarantee you it won't.


I guarantee you it does. Right now.
Tronity Neutronux
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2014-05-29 07:24:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tronity Neutronux
Domanique Altares wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
DLA II requires Drone Avionics V.

I guarantee you it won't.


I guarantee you it does. Right now.


...based on what? I still search the answer for that question.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#37 - 2014-05-29 07:28:43 UTC
Tronity Neutronux wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
DLA II requires Drone Avionics V.

I guarantee you it won't.

I guarantee you it does. Right now.

...based on what?

Based on the current Kronos build.
Also, based on how it's the only requirement that makes any sense with this change.
Tronity Neutronux
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2014-05-29 07:38:15 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Based on the current Kronos build.


Could make sense. Do you know if that Drone Avionics V is required to use Tech II drones on the current Kronos build as well? Because if I get that skill to V via my Scout Drones skill I could save some days of training right now and stop trainig Combat Drones to V as well.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#39 - 2014-05-29 07:42:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Tronity Neutronux wrote:
Could make sense. Do you know if that Drone Avionics V is required to use Tech II drones on the current Kronos build as well?
It is not. The skill change is explicitly intended to remove those kinds of cross-purpose requirements.

Drone Avionics controls bonuses and modules that have to do with drone control range.
Light Drone Ops controls light drones and gives bonuses for them.
Medium Drone Ops controls medium drones and gives bonuses to them.

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Because if I get that skill to V via my Scout Drones skill I could save some days of training right now and stop trainig Combat Drones to V as well.
If your Scout Drone level is higher than your Combat Drone Ops level, you don't need to train CDO any further to get the most out of the switch-over. Like so.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2014-05-29 07:49:34 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Tronity Neutronux wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
DLA II requires Drone Avionics V.

I guarantee you it won't.

I guarantee you it does. Right now.

...based on what?

Based on the current Kronos build.
Also, based on how it's the only requirement that makes any sense with this change.

It doesn't make any sense because that would violate their dictum of "if you can use it now, you can use it after".

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