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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-12-04 17:29:42 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
People just don't like the risk involved and don't feel like be prepared for it. People complain that mining is boring. That is because mining in high sec has no risk! Of course it's boring!

Same could be said about ganking mining vessels. Is there any challenge to it...no as the ships just die and you cannot lose. Popping rettys is like a game of whack-a-mole, a kid's game with very little challenge and amazingly your eyes light up when the KM comes in just as much as a child getting excited over the the pretty lights (at least it will take a bit more to down a hulk now with no insurance payout for a Brutix/Tornado/Small Gank of destroyers, Rettys just die to a single thrash and a very small loss). Risk is when 2 guys go into a ring, equally skilled and one comes out the victor..riskless is one pulling a gun before the fight even begins and then claims to be the victor after pulling the trigger. If you can't loose, its a guaranteed win and therefore not a risk to you the ganker but EVE is a grey area where everything has to have risk but the guy spouting "harsh universe" where he is safe for knowing all the odds.
Le Sabre
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-12-04 17:40:06 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Titania Hrothgar wrote:
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.

Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.

You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.

To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up.


People in high sec aren't care bears. People in High Sec swap cans and blow up miners all the time by stealing their cargo. They pvp each other all the time.

When will you low sec people realize why people stay in Empire?

I am aware of why. Fear of being blown up.


Might be the case for some, but for others highsec is the place to be for 'easy to find accesable pvp'. Lowsec has been in need of a decent chunck of development time for a long while, nothing seems to entice players to go there, so I fully understand the frustration that living in the dullest part of Eve must bring.

I used to live in Aridia, nothing ever happened, the place felt empty, worthless and a million l/y from anything worth investigating or doing and I soon lost interest in being there so ended up back in highsec. If only there was something unique to do there, something that could be fought over and claimed, but I supose it would be too much like null then.

Maybe one day :)
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
Doomheim
#23 - 2011-12-04 17:50:57 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Just would be more fun with some more variety and people with some balls to fight.

Post with your main then. Smile
Skorpynekomimi
#24 - 2011-12-04 17:54:15 UTC
I tried to mine in nullsec. My alliance got sov worked out, I got a couple of barges and some fittings shipped out from the nearest highsec system, then tried to head out myself to get a JC installed somewhere.

There wasn't a station within 5 jumps of the systems we'd got, so I would have been stuck there.

My fittings got lost in the system.

I couldn't even get at my ships because of antiquated PoS rules.

I tried multiple times to get out TO null myself, but got caught up in gatecamps and blown up. A pvp cruiser, a shuttle, a noobship, and one pod later, I was back in highsec buying a new med clone.

I eventually got a clone installed in a rorqual. Then a bigger alliance rolled through and kicked us out before I could negotiate the system to get at my fittings.


Why don't highsec miners move to null or lowsec?
PIRATES. That's why. Too risky. Risk versus reward, you say?
Highsec has low reward, but low risk.
Lowsec has a slightly higher reward, but infinite risk; your ship will not survive, and you'll get podded.
Nullsec is only profitable if you're joining a large alliance with secured space that isn't ridden with AFK cloakers and lone pirates keeping you logged out until the PVPers log in to kick them out.

Economic PVP
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2011-12-04 17:58:54 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:

People just don't like the risk involved and don't feel like be prepared for it. People complain that mining is boring. That is because mining in high sec has no risk! Of course it's boring! And less profitable in the long run. Just need to learn how to survive in a pvp environment. Mine aligned, keep watch on local, and use the directional scanner. It is a more thrilling and profitable mining experience.


Lots of anger there... What do you care how people choose to play the game? What business is it of yours? Something rather unbalanced about so much anger and being pissed at other people playing a f***ing game... Fascinating...
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-12-04 18:07:59 UTC
OP, as is the CSM and a lot of null sec pilots are confused. If high sec pilots were so afraid of being blown up they would never go to places like Jita. Pull up Dotlan some time and look at the most violent systems lists. Looks like high sec is, and traditionally always is, more dangerous than null. It's many times more dangerous and not from your supposed ganking. In fact, I was amazed to hear it was still being called some sort of activity. You don't seem to realize that stuff has always gone on. Congratulations! you've been doing nothing.

Personally, I just packed up all my stuff and moved back into high sec since game-play is better there. There's more options available.
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-12-04 18:12:39 UTC
A parting thought: If you went to high sec to gank miners that means you also went to high sec for better game-play experience. Welcome to high sec. Tama is totally safe too if you want to gank there. I know that's low sec but from what you say your amazing pilot skills and super ship fits means you'll be fine. Big smile
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#28 - 2011-12-04 18:23:19 UTC
Pavel Bidermann wrote:
Looks like high sec is, and traditionally always is, more dangerous than null. It's many times more dangerous and not from your supposed ganking...


Look how wrong you are: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40902&find=unread

Over 50% of all PvP losses occurred in nullsec.

Correcting for the population difference, nullsec is approximately 7 times more dangerous than high sec.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution
#29 - 2011-12-04 18:43:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Titania Hrothgar
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Titania Hrothgar wrote:
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.

Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.

You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.

To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up.


People in high sec aren't care bears. People in High Sec swap cans and blow up miners all the time by stealing their cargo. They pvp each other all the time.

When will you low sec people realize why people stay in Empire?

I am aware of why. Fear of being blown up.


Let me try and explain this again... maybe you'll finally get it...

People in high sec blow eachother up all the time. PVP in high sec is just like PVP in low... ships go boom. People ALWAYS fight in high sec. Ships go boom. It's you who are afraid of losing something by staying in low sec and fighting defenseless miners. Come to Rens and warp to a station. You'll get your fight. I'm betting you won't show.

You suicide gank in frigates and destroyers and call high sec pvp'ers cowards while HIGH SEC people fight in battlecruisers.

All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players.
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2011-12-04 18:49:31 UTC
Titania Hrothgar wrote:
People in high sec blow eachother up all the time. PVP in high sec is just like PVP in low... ships go boom. People ALWAYS fight in high sec. Ships go boom. It's you who are afraid of losing something by staying in low sec and fighting defenseless miners. Come to Rens and warp to a station. You'll get your fight. I'm betting you won't show.

You suicide gank in frigates and destroyers and call high sec pvp'ers cowards while HIGH SEC people fight in battlecruisers.


Don't **** off the OP.. he clearly has anger issues. Just agree and move along.
Elson Tamar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-12-04 18:53:51 UTC
Ca,e in expecting a troll, wasn't disapointed.

Suicide ganking, we still discussing that? Yawn. Come up something new and innovative please.
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution
#32 - 2011-12-04 18:55:12 UTC
Borun Tal wrote:
Titania Hrothgar wrote:
People in high sec blow eachother up all the time. PVP in high sec is just like PVP in low... ships go boom. People ALWAYS fight in high sec. Ships go boom. It's you who are afraid of losing something by staying in low sec and fighting defenseless miners. Come to Rens and warp to a station. You'll get your fight. I'm betting you won't show.

You suicide gank in frigates and destroyers and call high sec pvp'ers cowards while HIGH SEC people fight in battlecruisers.


Don't **** off the OP.. he clearly has anger issues. Just agree and move along.


you're right. I'm sorry. OP, you're the boss. I'm outa here :)

All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players.
Arjola Elongur
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2011-12-04 20:23:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Arjola Elongur
Malcanis wrote:
Pavel Bidermann wrote:
Looks like high sec is, and traditionally always is, more dangerous than null. It's many times more dangerous and not from your supposed ganking...


Look how wrong you are: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40902&find=unread

Over 50% of all PvP losses occurred in nullsec.

Correcting for the population difference, nullsec is approximately 7 times more dangerous than high sec.


How many of the 160,742 kills in Jita do you think are due to PVE?
I guess it's pretty close to 0 which would make it one of the most dangerous systems all over EVE and your "look how wrong you are" comment rather fail.
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2011-12-04 20:26:00 UTC
Why should they? Why? You play you game let them play theirs! What's this obsession with bloody highsec! Go into low sec and nullsec and do some proper pvp I stead of picking easy highest targets cos you fail at pvp

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Wolf Kruol
1st Tikiona Lancers
Citizen's Star Republic
#35 - 2011-12-04 20:27:46 UTC
jezz another one of these threads again.


Here you go this quote explains it all.

Quote Malcanis
"You consent to PvP when you undock your ships, whether you accept this or not. There is no entitlement to safety."

“If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?

You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!”
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#36 - 2011-12-04 21:20:41 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.

Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.

You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.

To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up.


I'm a hisec miner, and I'm not complaining about the "lack of isk" or suicide ganking. So shut the hell up.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Decaneos
Casalt Corp
CAStabouts
#37 - 2011-12-04 21:44:38 UTC
its simple risk vs reward, theres little risk in empire but the rewards are admitedly less.

however the way its set up at the moment is mine low sec and its just plain suicide if you dont have a fully commited protection fleet, and with the split of profits it just simply is not worth the reward.

if low sec minerals paid more then it might be worth it. but at the moment its just not worth getting a fleet togther to mine and hold of pirates.

plus miner protection duty ? BORING AS HELL!!!!
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2011-12-04 23:00:52 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.

Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.

You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.

To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up.


I have multiple accounts and PLEX every one and never go to low/null, I have ISK in the bank and ships to fly, if you can't make good ISK in empire your doing something wrong.

I have lived in null, too many children there for my liking, and honestly make about the same amount of ISK but lots less stress.

I'm an indi guy and hope the ganking continues as it makes me billions..

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2011-12-04 23:04:28 UTC
I love how people who sit around all day at gate camps have the nerve to talk about how boring mining is.
Isley Bartholomeu
Six Star Industries
#40 - 2011-12-04 23:19:14 UTC
So today I got ganked at a 1.0 sec stargate while simply trying to move a few items to a trade hub to sell... looked like a guy with dual clients and two alts camping the gate. Lost 30m+ from a neat implant I found from a pirate npc just by luck.

Now I've only played the game a few months, and really only have a few hours a week I can play. Manage some PI's, do a little mining while I watch TV or maybe fly around and scan for sites. In a little 2-man corp with my friend. Never really visited the forums. Haven't done any PVP nor do I have interest. Worst I got was people stealing my mining cans or blowing them up.

So I stopped by to see if I could get some advice or find some info on why that happened to me and how to prevent it, and I stumbled on this thread after first reading the 'killing hisec miners' thread. To my surprise I now see that there is a hardcore group of full time griefers dedicated to making my life miserable. Is it really that profitable to you? Is it fun, or are you just bored? Or maybe you can't understand that people play this game in a way other than your hardcore style? I just don't get it.

Hope my post sheds some light on the other side of this, and the often unheard from players like me who don't spend as much time in the game or on the forum as you. I'm sure there are many cases like mine where instead of posting they simply canceled their accounts as I nearly did because of the bad experience I had.

Cheers.