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What it means to be Gallente

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Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#1 - 2011-09-10 18:55:07 UTC
Perpetually, we have a lot of self-mastubatory dialogues about "what it means to be Caldari", "what it means to be Amarr", or whoever, for that matter. So, I figured I would take the time to throw in my thoughts and what it means to be a Gallentean. Like every culture in New Eden, we are stereotyped. I could easily say that for all the talk about Caldari heiian, more often than not you just end up being a corporate drone for a ruthless and highly unethical megacorporation, like SuVee, that will happily reprocess biological waste into food to feed to young schoolchildren for a profit. What it means to be Caldari? The Chief Executive Panel ultimately said this was "just another day in the State" over the Protein Delicacy Fiasco so, I could easily say that being Caldari is merely sacrificing one's own individuality for the sake of profiteering megacorporation intent on retarding the mental growth of children. But like I said, stereotypes.

It would be wise to note that the core of the Federation is not democracy, but liberty. Democracy is how our many levels of government operate, but our governments are often distant outside the PR machine. In essence, liberty is the concept of unrestricted choice. The government does not tell us how to live or what to do, merely that we are not permitted to infringe on the freedoms of others. It is often said and stereotyped that the Federation has no limits. It's true; we don't, because Villore has no business in telling us how to live our lives. The purpose of the Federation is to establish an ordered platform for individual freedom to thrive, and ensure that these freedoms do not include the right to oppress other individuals.

Our culture is the only culture that does not demand or otherwise encourage unquestioning loyalty to something higher. We choose our own destinies, but fundamentally, we must remain unbound to individual, ideal or institution. Governments are corrupt, but the human spirit is not. Why should we submit ourselves to megacorporations whose primary interest is profit? Why should we submit ourselves to God, when for all the good that God has done, there is so much evil caused by Him? We don't. We are not expected to sacrifice ourselves for a universal mission, we define our own missions, and these missions can very well include self-sacrifice. Free will is paramount. By our own discretion, we must be able to choose whether or not we wish to surrender our personal freedoms and bind ourselves to a cause or ideal. At the same time, the freedom must remain to break free of this binding whenever we see fit. Can you do this in Caldari, or Amarr? Of course you can, but there are often dire consequences for doing so.

The core assumption that is made in Gallente culture is that humanity share universal desires that are not confined to national borders. Intaki art is a key example of this; it has a reputation for possessing beauty that can be appreciated by all human beings. We all want to be loved, we all want to let our voice be heard, we all want to feel beautiful. What outsiders dismiss as the theft of other cultures as "fads" represents a key misunderstanding in how the Gallente view the world. Take Minmatar tattoos, which are very popular in the Federation. The artwork of the Minmatar nation is not seen as something to be confined to a single cultural unit, or specific ethnic groups. To we Gallente, the self-expression of these tattoos do not represent the self-expression of Minmatar, but the self-expression of humanity. One aspect of being an open society is that we do not see things along racial or sociopolitical lines. Skeptics may call this world conquest, but the sincere Gallente activist is not so malicious. She will honestly believe that the concepts of self-expression and equality for all can be universalized. We often protest against our government, yet at the same time champion the ideals that the same government was founded on.

Point being made, is that the notions of liberty and unrestriction means that the beauty of the cluster and her cultures should be shared by all. Adopting Minmatar tattoos is acknowledging the beauty of the artwork. Why would we wear something that is ugly? Of course, not every wearer would be intelligent enough to explain this reasoning to you, but that doesn't mean it need not apply.

Ultimately, the people of the Federation, ideally speaking, views the world as one. They do not see ruthless Caldari, barbaric Minmatar, or enslaving Amarr. In its purest form, we are all the same. Humans are not defined by their race or culture, but defined by what's inside. This is a key facet of our culture. If it was not, we would not be so welcoming of immigrants. We acknowledge outsiders who wish to join us in sharing the beauty and capabilities of the human soul together. In this regard, we not so different from the Amarr. We see the world as one, not under God however, but to be united under the collective spirit of the human race, corrupt and untrustworthy governments be damned.

As President Arlette Villers once said, the Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers or woods, but a vision. Cynics and skeptics be damned.
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-09-10 19:19:50 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Why should we submit ourselves to God, when for all the good that God has done, there is so much evil caused by Him?


God does not cause evil. He is the purest essence of what good is and thus can never be classified as evil..

People cause evil, a point that should never be forgotten.

Take a moment to re-examine your essay. Basically your saying 'we aren't like you guys and that's what it means to be us.' Well, that much is obvious... I could make a statement such as "the Empire is not like the Federation and that is what it means to be us."

You say that all the other nations are evil because they don't subscribe to your 'freedom is good' beliefs. Your argument has absolutely no substance, which is ultimately the flawed premise behind the cult of greed known as freedom (as often portrayed by the Federation at least). This cult of greed is a cancer which sickens the population of the cluster.

Nothing that you have said can convince anyone who isn't already convinced. I don't know how... how did you put it... 'self-mastubatory'... you can get.

Thgil Goldcore
Templar Lieutenant
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-09-10 20:16:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Khross
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:

It would be wise to note that the core of the Federation is not democracy, but liberty. Democracy is how our many levels of government operate, but our governments are often distant outside the PR machine. In essence, liberty is the concept of unrestricted choice. The government does not tell us how to live or what to do, merely that we are not permitted to infringe on the freedoms of others. It is often said and stereotyped that the Federation has no limits. It's true; we don't, because Villore has no business in telling us how to live our lives. The purpose of the Federation is to establish an ordered platform for individual freedom to thrive, and ensure that these freedoms do not include the right to oppress other individuals.

Our culture is the only culture that does not demand or otherwise encourage unquestioning loyalty to something higher. We choose our own destinies, but fundamentally, we must remain unbound to individual, ideal or institution. Governments are corrupt, but the human spirit is not. Why should we submit ourselves to megacorporations whose primary interest is profit? Why should we submit ourselves to God, when for all the good that God has done, there is so much evil caused by Him? We don't. We are not expected to sacrifice ourselves for a universal mission, we define our own missions, and these missions can very well include self-sacrifice. Free will is paramount. By our own discretion, we must be able to choose whether or not we wish to surrender our personal freedoms and bind ourselves to a cause or ideal. At the same time, the freedom must remain to break free of this binding whenever we see fit. Can you do this in Caldari, or Amarr? Of course you can, but there are often dire consequences for doing so.

The core assumption that is made in Gallente culture is that humanity share universal desires that are not confined to national borders.

Point being made, is that the notions of liberty and unrestriction means that the beauty of the cluster and her cultures should be shared by all. Adopting Minmatar tattoos is acknowledging the beauty of the artwork. Why would we wear something that is ugly? Of course, not every wearer would be intelligent enough to explain this reasoning to you, but that doesn't mean it need not apply.

Ultimately, the people of the Federation, ideally speaking, views the world as one. They do not see ruthless Caldari, barbaric Minmatar, or enslaving Amarr. In its purest form, we are all the same. Humans are not defined by their race or culture, but defined by what's inside. This is a key facet of our culture. If it was not, we would not be so welcoming of immigrants. We acknowledge outsiders who wish to join us in sharing the beauty and capabilities of the human soul together. In this regard, we not so different from the Amarr. We see the world as one, not under God however, but to be united under the collective spirit of the human race, corrupt and untrustworthy governments be damned.


Disregarding your first paragraph entirely because you were making a statement and example, which you then openly admitted was an exaggerated stereotype.

There's a couple of points I would raise. First "unhindered freedoms" lead to chaos, it has proven time and time again that the ideals of liberty and freedom are all too often taken to their extremes and this breeds nothing but chaos and disorder. Take, for instance, the "entitlement" mindset. It's my right to do this or that simply because I am human, it doesn't matter if I've earned it or not, it doesn't matter if I step on someone else to get it because it's my right and my freedom can't be hindered or limited by another individual or I will call foul. This isn't the ideal the Federation seeks to employ, I am sure, but it is what happens nonetheless.

I must also call your bluff on your government not demanding that you adhere to something higher, you must adhere to its idea of freedom and liberty and you must not ever infringe on another's rights to the same thing. Surely you can see how this sort of thinking will lead to people claiming ridiculous liberties over one another and the eventual resolution that something has to instill order and restriction in order to ensure stability - I believe that is what your judicial system is for. The whole reason the Caldari defected from the Federation in the first place is because we wanted to be free to do things our own way, an ideal which your Federation should have supported but instead attempted to reign in, govern and then ultimately use for itself.

I do not think the Federation is evil, by any means, but it espouses ideals that will lead to absolutely anarchy and self-righteous perceptions of "freedom" by its practiced lack of regulation and it has, and will continue to, do injustices and evils in the name of its ideals.

As a side note, what you saw as "adapting the tattoos of the Matari for their art," the Matari see as "making an ignorant mockery" of their culture. Most of you don't even understand the cultural significance of those markings and the deep insult you're issuing to the people you've "borrowed" them from.

~Malcolm Khross

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-09-11 01:54:53 UTC
I'll stay out of the racial debate sure to be sparked by this, and simply thank Mr. Inhonores for his thoughtful broadcast.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#5 - 2011-09-11 02:29:24 UTC
Maybe if your first sentence hadnt included the phrase "self-masturbatory" i would have read beyond it.

Pretty much all I needed to see.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Half Cocked Jack
Un4seen Development
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2011-09-11 03:08:56 UTC
As a connoisseur of a fair number of cultures, I honestly believe that the Gallente love life the most. Not life as imagined in pasts, futures, on other planes of existence, or as it should be—but life in the here and now as it most basically and observably is. To be Gallente in spirit is to be a visceral being, free to embrace one's own desires and ambitions, forge one's own path, and revel in the ripples one makes in the world.

My way is my own.
My burden and my pleasure.
I am my own fate.

A world of liberty is a world where everyone is his own leader, which many outsiders cannot quite fathom. It is a fearful concept for those to whom it is alien, leading to anarchic, chaotic logical conclusions. But be honest—when is anything in human affairs ever carried to its logical conclusion? The very concept is unnatural, and leads to the gross stereotypes that are as off-the-mark for the Gallente as they are for every other culture in the cluster. Good and evil come no more easily to those who are empowered to embrace their own will than to those who are beholden to the wills of others—be they Gods, Tribes, Traditions, or what-have-you.

Now I'm afraid I must be back to the dirt floor of my grass hut to bang mystical, animal-skin drums with human femurs in preparation for having my last patch of clear skin covered with a tattoo of a slaver hound or something.
Jascira
Animastra
#7 - 2011-09-11 04:36:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jascira
Honored Sir (Mr. Inhonores),

I shall attempt a brief sermon, also to make my own ideas clearer to myself. I appreciate your indulgence.

What makes the absolutism of the Amarrians different from most other forms, especially those that entail an absolutist view toward freedom or slavery, is that it is rooted (via its Imperium, of course) in the absolutism of the Absolute, the One, God. Those who do not have this root have little to stand on, I believe; they are attempting to root their absolutism in nature, which is rarely so accommodating. The Amarrians, by contrast, are much more free to take a pragmatic view of things, which also generally implies a goal. That their goal is the greatest that could possibly be and that they are not tied in an absolutist sense toward the means of accomplishing this goal is what makes for the unique flexibility of the Amarr. Please understand me: the Reclaiming does not serve the purpose of freedom or slavery, at least in any political sense. It is absolutist but it cannot be defined (though some do try) apart from God. It serves, rather, and reflects the movement toward God. That others must collapse this concept into their political world-views is no stain on the glory that is the Amarr vision. My point, simply, is that anyone who relies on a merely political absolute faces a great danger of hypocrisy or self-delusion should he ever slip into pragmatism. For those of the Amarr faith, however, pragmatism in the service of God is no sin at all*.

*I consider it a win to have smashed seeming-opposites together without feeling entirely ashamed. Smile
Paul J Keating
The Light on the Hill
#8 - 2011-09-11 06:17:15 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
There's a couple of points I would raise. First "unhindered freedoms" lead to chaos, it has proven time and time again that the ideals of liberty and freedom are all too often taken to their extremes and this breeds nothing but chaos and disorder. Take, for instance, the "entitlement" mindset. It's my right to do this or that simply because I am human, it doesn't matter if I've earned it or not, it doesn't matter if I step on someone else to get it because it's my right and my freedom can't be hindered or limited by another individual or I will call foul. This isn't the ideal the Federation seeks to employ, I am sure, but it is what happens nonetheless.

I must also call your bluff on your government not demanding that you adhere to something higher, you must adhere to its idea of freedom and liberty and you must not ever infringe on another's rights to the same thing. Surely you can see how this sort of thinking will lead to people claiming ridiculous liberties over one another and the eventual resolution that something has to instill order and restriction in order to ensure stability - I believe that is what your judicial system is for. The whole reason the Caldari defected from the Federation in the first place is because we wanted to be free to do things our own way, an ideal which your Federation should have supported but instead attempted to reign in, govern and then ultimately use for itself.

I do not think the Federation is evil, by any means, but it espouses ideals that will lead to absolutely anarchy and self-righteous perceptions of "freedom" by its practiced lack of regulation and it has, and will continue to, do injustices and evils in the name of its ideals.


Yes, the Federation does have laws and a judicial system, it is not the orgy of anarchy, chaos and destruction that you seem to be suggesting. Generally speaking these laws allow people to live their lives freely as long as they are not infringing on the rights of others. Following these laws is not the same as devoting yourself to God, State and Lord. We do have those who pledge to uphold the laws of the Federation, but they choose those careers, they are not forced to do so by virtue of birthplace.

The Federation is not perfect - no place is, but it is a place where someone can work hard to rise above their station; a place where the weak and the weary and can escape oppression; a place where people possess the right to speak freely, even against their own government.

We are not perfect - but we strive to be a shining beacon of hope for all people who have felt the whips and boots of oppressio, tyranny and inequality.

Quote:

As a side note, what you saw as "adapting the tattoos of the Matari for their art," the Matari see as "making an ignorant mockery" of their culture. Most of you don't even understand the cultural significance of those markings and the deep insult you're issuing to the people you've "borrowed" them from.


Young people will be young people, I wouldn't really worry too much about 'deep insults' being issued by 20-somethings with tattoos they will probably have removed when they grow a bit wiser.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#9 - 2011-09-11 07:05:53 UTC
I have observed that being Gallente means having to cross train into Caldari, Minmatar, and Amarr ships.

In the ancient game of "Rock Paper Scissors", Gallente can be broken by rock, cut by scissors, and covered by paper. The other empires, ship-wise, are the rock, the paper, and the scissors.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-09-11 09:25:15 UTC
Paul J Keating wrote:

Yes, the Federation does have laws and a judicial system, it is not the orgy of anarchy, chaos and destruction that you seem to be suggesting. Generally speaking these laws allow people to live their lives freely as long as they are not infringing on the rights of others. Following these laws is not the same as devoting yourself to God, State and Lord. We do have those who pledge to uphold the laws of the Federation, but they choose those careers, they are not forced to do so by virtue of birthplace.

The Federation is not perfect - no place is, but it is a place where someone can work hard to rise above their station; a place where the weak and the weary and can escape oppression; a place where people possess the right to speak freely, even against their own government.

We are not perfect - but we strive to be a shining beacon of hope for all people who have felt the whips and boots of oppressio, tyranny and inequality.


One clarification, I apologize if I made it appear as though the Federation is a cesspool of anarchy and chaos, that is not the case. On the contrary, the Federation (like any government) exists to prevent the descent into those things. I stated that if the arbitrary ideals of freedom and liberty are taken to their extreme, as they all too often are by those claiming to be from the Federation, such extremes will lead to anarchy and chaos.

Beyond that, we choose our own paths and service in the State as well. It is not so much a forced service to the Caldari and the State as an expectation of service because of one's love for their family, kin and country. It is as much my choice to serve the Caldari people and the State as it was for me to rebel against them and pave my own path. In that, we are similar.

If I have a complaint against the Federation at all, it is that while it espouses freedom from oppression and liberty, it practices assimilating cultures and spreading its governance to everyone else. As "peacefully" and "politically" as this process is accomplished, it is still the same practice at the root.

~Malcolm Khross

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2011-09-11 13:35:50 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Maybe if your first sentence hadnt included the phrase "self-masturbatory" i would have read beyond it.

Pretty much all I needed to see.


At least it is some kind of autocriticism, as he did the same afterwise.
Daniel L'Siata
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#12 - 2011-09-11 13:39:34 UTC
I gave it two to three replies before the political debate and general "Holier than thou" started. Turns out people respond much faster, my mistake.

On another note..."self masturbatory"...really? Could you have not picked...I don't know...*any* other phrase that wouldn't cause half of New Eden to snicker and the other half to want you murdered. Well written regardless
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#13 - 2011-09-11 14:24:31 UTC
Daniel L'Siata wrote:
I gave it two to three replies before the political debate and general "Holier than thou" started. Turns out people respond much faster, my mistake.

On another note..."self masturbatory"...really? Could you have not picked...I don't know...*any* other phrase that wouldn't cause half of New Eden to snicker and the other half to want you murdered. Well written regardless


It's Seriphyn Inhonores.

That should be all that you need to know.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Half Cocked Jack
Un4seen Development
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2011-09-11 17:02:24 UTC
At the risk of being cheekily tangential--but since it continues to be a topic of discussion--I'd like to point out that "self masturbatory" is just a tad bit redundant. Though perhaps the need to hyper-express one's own provenance over one's own life's pleasures is quintessentially Gallente...
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#15 - 2011-09-11 17:45:42 UTC
He likes women.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Crucifire
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-09-11 22:03:58 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
He likes women.

I'd like to know where sexual orientation fits into this. Heterosexual, homosexual, transgendered and autosexual people all masturbate as long as there's a sex drive and nothing else to fill that need.

The phrase is redundant, but so are most Gallenteans.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-09-11 22:09:13 UTC
Crucifire wrote:


The phrase is redundant, but so are most Gallenteans.


Care to elaborate? I fail to see how the word redundant can be used to describe a person of a particular race.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Crucifire
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-09-11 22:21:14 UTC
Gallentean society, and those that adhere to it, is one of excess. The word redundant not only means an overuse of words with similar meanings, but can refer to anything that is supererogatory.

Don't worry though, I don't single out Gallenteans. I hate nearly everyone.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-09-11 23:50:48 UTC
Crucifire wrote:
I don't single out Gallenteans. I hate nearly everyone.


Pleasant. I don't hate anyone.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#20 - 2011-09-12 02:37:20 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Perpetually, we have a lot of self-mastubatory dialogues about "what it means to be Caldari", "what it means to be Amarr", or whoever, for that matter. So, I figured I would take the time to throw in my thoughts and what it means to be a Gallentean.



So this is how you perceive things and it prompted you instantly to get down to business on yourself?
Write me a message whenever you're finally interested in a serious debate.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

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