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Why Eve isn't more popular?

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#721 - 2014-05-23 15:58:25 UTC
Neutrino Sunset wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Control Methods = perfectly functional for the task
I disagree. ....

i can only add constant spamming of mouse/buttons and lots of hand work in amy pvp operation (outside of F1 monkeying). It's not that bad itself but adding server ticks and network lags makes it all one big clickfest....

For little example: you gate camping someone with cloak.
1) target appears
2) you press "approach" and "lock"
3) target cloaks up
4) ... after some unpredictable time (because of server ticks and network lags) your ship drops speed and stops
5) to continue approaching you need to press button "+" on your HUD (or how is the name of that thing with capacitor and stuff inside your screen?).
6) ... but until ship starts to stop your "+" doesn't help.
Result: you need to spam button "+" to make it do its job.

And these spams are EVERYWHERE. Are key spams good for the game like Eve Online? Not sure

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#722 - 2014-05-23 16:01:28 UTC
Neutrino Sunset wrote:
That there are workarounds does not negate my actual point, which is that ship controls in Eve are woeful (actually worse than any other game I can recall).


It's not a flight simulator.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#723 - 2014-05-23 16:07:46 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Neutrino Sunset wrote:
That there are workarounds does not negate my actual point, which is that ship controls in Eve are woeful (actually worse than any other game I can recall).


It's not a flight simulator.

... but it uses strange things like speed: linear, tracking, angular, etc...
... but it uses ranges...

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Neutrino Sunset
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#724 - 2014-05-23 16:21:45 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
d) None of the above. I set my desired orbit distance for my ship and fit before I undocked. I hold the orbit hotkey and click on my desired orbit target in the overview.
I'm surprised you've never been caught out by the issue where holding down a hotkey and clicking in the overview can easily result in you performing the wrong action on the wrong object as the overview add/removes/resorts items.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#725 - 2014-05-23 16:23:54 UTC
Neutrino Sunset wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
d) None of the above. I set my desired orbit distance for my ship and fit before I undocked. I hold the orbit hotkey and click on my desired orbit target in the overview.
I'm surprised you've never been caught out by the issue where holding down a hotkey and clicking in the overview can easily result in you performing the wrong action on the wrong object as the overview add/removes/resorts items.



Uh... overview sorting locks while you're holding a hotkey. I've actually had the opposite issue on occasion with pods - I'll hold ctrl in anticipation of locking the pod, expecting it to show up at the top of the list based on range, and then it gets appended to the bottom because the sorting is locked. Lol

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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Tosawa Komarui
State War Academy
Caldari State
#726 - 2014-05-23 21:36:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tosawa Komarui
the tutorial being as bad as it is is probably one of them, twice this year i have been unable to get a friend through the tutorial in one peice. of course i have no problem going out there and getting them sorted with the game and teaching them things, but if they did not have this help they would probably have given up on whatever various part of the tutorial broke this particular time and with that the game as well
Neutrino Sunset
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#727 - 2014-05-24 11:55:41 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Uh... overview sorting locks while you're holding a hotkey.
Well I never knew that, thanks for the tip.
Silky Cyno
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#728 - 2014-05-24 13:22:12 UTC
I think the gear grind MMO players that move around alot from game to game, trying to turn every game into world of warcraft just can't handle EvE.

Its like going from playing Candyland to Axis and allies.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#729 - 2014-05-28 18:27:24 UTC
Silky Cyno wrote:
I think the gear grind MMO players that move around alot from game to game, trying to turn every game into world of warcraft just can't handle EvE.

Its like going from playing Candyland to Axis and allies.



They can't handle Eve because CCP set up a pet player base years ago any one joining now is at such a disadvantage that there is zero point.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#730 - 2014-05-28 18:29:54 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Silky Cyno wrote:
I think the gear grind MMO players that move around alot from game to game, trying to turn every game into world of warcraft just can't handle EvE.

Its like going from playing Candyland to Axis and allies.



They can't handle Eve because CCP set up a pet player base years ago any one joining now is at such a disadvantage that there is zero point.


Do you ever stop whining about favoritism that doesn't actually exist?

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Bro Tatoe
Doomheim
#731 - 2014-05-28 19:36:20 UTC
"Why Eve isn't more popular?"

Because EVE is s**t.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#732 - 2014-05-28 20:17:05 UTC
Bro Tatoe wrote:
"Why Eve isn't more popular?"

Because EVE is s**t.

In what way?

Im fairly certain this would actually come back to, not EvE being s**t, but you being s**t at playing it. Its always easier to blame the game than it is to take responsibility for the way you play it.
OffBeaT
State War Academy
Caldari State
#733 - 2014-06-01 02:28:36 UTC
Neutrino Sunset wrote:

Another thing that was mentioned in the article was that most players who play Eve leave almost immediately, of those that don't most play entirely solo for a while and then leave later, and that very few engage with other players at all, but the one that do engage with other players tend to be the ones that stay. Well if that's the case and you want to do something to encourage new players to engage with other players, then instead of having the new player experience being nothing more than an introduction on how to run missions by yourself, why not instead have a new player experience that focuses instead on player interaction?



Thats me alright staying for the team work, the trust in you all, the love for evryone of you.

PvE?
Vivec Septim
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#734 - 2014-06-01 02:33:51 UTC
Some love and care from CCP on PvE would be oh so nice. <3

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. 
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#735 - 2014-06-01 02:36:57 UTC
Don't necro threads. This thread was finally resting in peace.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Vivec Septim
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#736 - 2014-06-01 02:37:39 UTC
That would be on Offbeat. I just responded lol.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. 
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#737 - 2014-06-01 02:39:57 UTC
Vivec Septim wrote:
That would be on Offbeat. I just responded lol.


Nor was my post directed at you. It just registered with the forum way after I posted it for some reason.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.