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What will happen if Scout Drones V is half-way trained before Kronos?

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Khadhir Hashul
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-05-28 15:39:38 UTC
I made a new alt and apparently it's going to take around 5 days for Scout Drones to train. What's going to happen to that half-finished skill?
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#2 - 2014-05-28 15:45:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Essael
Edit: Dev clarified...

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-05-28 15:53:22 UTC
Just for clarification, Scout Drones isn't being split, right? Based on the devblog, it's being renamed, and Combat Drone Operation is the one being split.

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We are also splitting the current Combat Drone Operation skill into two new skills, Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation. This means that all light combat drones will now be unlocked and bonused from the Light Drone Operation skill, and medium combat drones will be unlocked and bonused from the Medium Drone Operation skill. During the patch downtime, existing players with the Combat Drone Operation skill trained will receive both new skills trained to the same level that their Combat Drone Operation skill was trained to.

This change makes light and medium drones consistent with heavy and sentry drones in their skill paths. It also allows us to create new ships and modules with bonuses that only affect light or medium drones separately, such as the newly rebalanced Guristas Worm faction frigate.

Finally, we are renaming two drone skills to clarify their roles. The Scout Drone Operation skill is being renamed “Drone Avionics”; the Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing skill is being renamed “Advanced Drone Avionics” to better represent their roles. The effects, prerequisites and unlocks provided by these skills will not be changing.

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CCP Merc
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2014-05-28 15:55:04 UTC
Your alt will receive the Drone Avionics skill with the same number of skill points that Scout Drone Operation has when Kronos lands. Effectively, we're just renaming Scout Drone Operation to Drone Avionics, so you can safely keep that skill in training without losing any progress Smile
Gridloader
Limitless Capabilities
#5 - 2014-05-28 15:56:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Gridloader
prolly the same what happend with BCs and Destroyers.... On 1 char I had 80% BC skill trained before patch comes.... and after patch I had 4racial BC at 80%.

edit: DEV was first and I thought about Combat skill
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#6 - 2014-05-28 16:03:47 UTC
CCP Merc wrote:
Your alt will receive the Drone Avionics skill with the same number of skill points that Scout Drone Operation has when Kronos lands. Effectively, we're just renaming Scout Drone Operation to Drone Avionics, so you can safely keep that skill in training without losing any progress Smile


so when the light drone/medium drone skills are made from the combat drone operation skill will they both still be a 2x skill?
or what would make more sense would be if the light drone skill was 1x...

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

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CCP Merc
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2014-05-28 16:17:11 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
so when the light drone/medium drone skills are made from the combat drone operation skill will they both still be a 2x skill?
or what would make more sense would be if the light drone skill was 1x...


Light Drone Operation will be rank 1 and Medium Drone Operation will be rank 2.
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#8 - 2014-05-28 16:27:48 UTC
CCP Merc wrote:
Your alt will receive the Drone Avionics skill with the same number of skill points that Scout Drone Operation has when Kronos lands. Effectively, we're just renaming Scout Drone Operation to Drone Avionics, so you can safely keep that skill in training without losing any progress Smile

What about Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation?

According to https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4431589#post4431589 :
CCP Fozzie wrote:
As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.

That would mean that the OP should get Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation to partway through level V as well...
CCP Merc
C C P
C C P Alliance
#9 - 2014-05-28 16:53:26 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:

That would mean that the OP should get Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation to partway through level V as well...


That's right, assuming of course he doesn't have Combat Drone Operation trained to V.

When we determine which of the two skills (Scout and Combat Drone Operation) is higher we take into account any partial training and apply it to the new skills as well.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-05-28 19:38:36 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Just for clarification, Scout Drones isn't being split, right? Based on the devblog, it's being renamed, and Combat Drone Operation is the one being split.

Quote:

We are also splitting the current Combat Drone Operation skill into two new skills, Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation. This means that all light combat drones will now be unlocked and bonused from the Light Drone Operation skill, and medium combat drones will be unlocked and bonused from the Medium Drone Operation skill. During the patch downtime, existing players with the Combat Drone Operation skill trained will receive both new skills trained to the same level that their Combat Drone Operation skill was trained to.

This change makes light and medium drones consistent with heavy and sentry drones in their skill paths. It also allows us to create new ships and modules with bonuses that only affect light or medium drones separately, such as the newly rebalanced Guristas Worm faction frigate.

Finally, we are renaming two drone skills to clarify their roles. The Scout Drone Operation skill is being renamed “Drone Avionics”; the Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing skill is being renamed “Advanced Drone Avionics” to better represent their roles. The effects, prerequisites and unlocks provided by these skills will not be changing.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4431589#post4431589
So no, the dev blog is wrong.

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Hyuni
Conqueror Worm Limited
#11 - 2014-05-28 21:54:54 UTC
CCP Merc wrote:
Chris Winter wrote:

That would mean that the OP should get Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation to partway through level V as well...


That's right, assuming of course he doesn't have Combat Drone Operation trained to V.

When we determine which of the two skills (Scout and Combat Drone Operation) is higher we take into account any partial training and apply it to the new skills as well.


So after trying to catch up and skimming the 50 page original thread, what I'm getting is that if we spent an extra week training both skills to V because the dev blog said we should, we're just out of luck and wasted a week of training? Is that correct?
Jack Morrison
Team Liquid crp.
#12 - 2014-05-28 21:58:23 UTC
Hyuni wrote:
CCP Merc wrote:
Chris Winter wrote:

That would mean that the OP should get Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation to partway through level V as well...


That's right, assuming of course he doesn't have Combat Drone Operation trained to V.

When we determine which of the two skills (Scout and Combat Drone Operation) is higher we take into account any partial training and apply it to the new skills as well.


So after trying to catch up and skimming the 50 page original thread, what I'm getting is that if we spent an extra week training both skills to V because the dev blog said we should, we're just out of luck and wasted a week of training? Is that correct?


yes

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Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#13 - 2014-05-28 22:19:25 UTC
Hyuni wrote:
CCP Merc wrote:
Chris Winter wrote:

That would mean that the OP should get Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation to partway through level V as well...


That's right, assuming of course he doesn't have Combat Drone Operation trained to V.

When we determine which of the two skills (Scout and Combat Drone Operation) is higher we take into account any partial training and apply it to the new skills as well.


So after trying to catch up and skimming the 50 page original thread, what I'm getting is that if we spent an extra week training both skills to V because the dev blog said we should, we're just out of luck and wasted a week of training? Is that correct?


yes, and no word on SP reimbursement.
Tronity Neutronux
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-05-28 22:32:02 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:

yes, and no word on SP reimbursement.


...and no word on Drone Link Augmentor II as well. Maybe there is a new skill that is required for that and gain some benefit from that. But without any official answer it's some kind of guesswork either to stop the skilling if you have one of the 2 skills already at V in hope to don't waste skill-time or not because Drone Link Augmentor II is still not mentioned.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#15 - 2014-05-28 22:42:36 UTC
Hyuni wrote:

So after trying to catch up and skimming the 50 page original thread, what I'm getting is that if we spent an extra week training both skills to V because the dev blog said we should, we're just out of luck and wasted a week of training? Is that correct?


no, because you're getting the extra 5% damage to your drones.

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Ohhhh Feely Nice
Feely Good Logistics
#16 - 2014-05-28 22:48:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ohhhh Feely Nice
CCP Merc wrote:
Chris Winter wrote:

That would mean that the OP should get Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation to partway through level V as well...


That's right, assuming of course he doesn't have Combat Drone Operation trained to V.

When we determine which of the two skills (Scout and Combat Drone Operation) is higher we take into account any partial training and apply it to the new skills as well.

I get the feeling you didn't even realize it applies to CDO. Am I right?

It would make sense, considering few of us realized it for awhile either, considering it's extremely disorganized to post such a change on the 33rd page of a thread and not update the dev blog at all even up to now.
Tronity Neutronux
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-05-28 23:05:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tronity Neutronux
Velicitia wrote:

no, because you're getting the extra 5% damage to your drones.


That would mean that the Combat Drones skill remains and still contains Drone Link Augmentor II? But if that is the case is it affecting either light and medium drones with 5% damage?

So far there is some confusing dev-blog that still says Combat Drones would split up (which seems to be fully wrong). Now it's told here that Scout drones is going to be renamed to Drone Avionics ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4648326#post4648326 ) and regarding Light and Medium drones it was mentioned earlier that it does not make a difference if you skill Scout or Combat Drones to V (as written here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4431589#post4431589).

If Combat Drones remain it sounds good to me and there is no waste of time to skill it if you already have Scout Drones to V. If not it seems still a waste of skill time and the dev-blog is still misleading.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#18 - 2014-05-29 00:17:20 UTC
Tronity Neutronux wrote:
Velicitia wrote:

no, because you're getting the extra 5% damage to your drones.


That would mean that the Combat Drones skill remains and still contains Drone Link Augmentor II? But if that is the case is it affecting either light and medium drones with 5% damage?

So far there is some confusing dev-blog that still says Combat Drones would split up (which seems to be fully wrong). Now it's told here that Scout drones is going to be renamed to Drone Avionics ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4648326#post4648326 ) and regarding Light and Medium drones it was mentioned earlier that it does not make a difference if you skill Scout or Combat Drones to V (as written here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4431589#post4431589).

If Combat Drones remain it sounds good to me and there is no waste of time to skill it if you already have Scout Drones to V. If not it seems still a waste of skill time and the dev-blog is still misleading.




You are not losing anything. You get a bonus for training the skill (until patch when you would've gotten it anyway). What, exactly, is the problem? That you're not getting a handout?
Tronity Neutronux
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-05-29 00:50:54 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:

You are not losing anything.


You are loosing skilltime now if you skill Combat Drones to V if you already got Scout Drones to V earlier if the skill Combat Drones is getting removed via the split. If not everything is good.


Quote:

What, exactly, is the problem?


The problem is that there is no confirmation that the Combat Drones skill still remains after the patch and that there are some infos at the dev-blog (that seems more or less wrong) and some other infos spread in various threads and busybody that still waste others time via linking to dev-blog or other stuff...
Hyuni
Conqueror Worm Limited
#20 - 2014-05-29 01:20:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Hyuni
The problem is that some people trained 768k sp so as to be prepared for this change and as far as anyone has said we're being granted new skills exactly the same as people who trained only 256k sp. So we've now wasted an additional week+ of training time to prepare for an announced change that was then modified 30 some pages deep in a discussion thread. It's frustrating having wasted that training time when it could have been better spent.

Seems like it wouldn't be that hard to add the sp amounts trained from the two existing skills, if total is <= 256k then assign that amount of sp for each of the new skills (double the amount for MDO as it is a rank two skill). If the total is above 256k then set all the new skills at V and put the sp minus the 256k back into the unallocated pool. As far as I can tell, and I could be missing something, this treats everyone equally and even provides a bit of an extra boost for someone who might have only trained to IV in both skills.

Being irritated about having time spent training skills tossed out the window is not asking for a handout. I'll bet there are still people training away at combat drones because they think they need it before the expansion.

Really would love to actually hear some kind of official response.
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