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New gank cargo value thresholds?
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#1 - 2014-05-28 15:40:15 UTC
It's common wisdom that you can fly an autopiloted Charon Freighter with 1 billion ISK worth of cargo. Any more, and gankers are going to profit from suicide ganking you in high-sec.

With max skillz, the current Charon is a little over 167k EHP.

I've also been able to fit a Kryos T1 mineral hauler to 21.3 EHP, that's about 1/8 of a Charon, and thus logically it can safely transport 125M ISK worth of minerals on autopilot.

I've got a current T2 Bustard Transport, max AFK-tanked to about 55.3k EHP, which according to my calculations is 330M ISK worth of stuff, but it can't be very bulky.



But CCP are going to change both the Charon and the Bustard.

What will the new gank value thresholds be for AFK-autopiloted ships? Charon gets new options, but since it's primarily shield tanked it may be hard to actually tank it up, as it only gets LOW slots and gets crappy fitting stats.

The Bustard is, AFAIK, going to get a resists boost, so might become a bit tankier. Not sure how much it'll otherwise change. TheT1 industrials aren't going to change, at least not any time soon.
Jeann Valjean
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-05-28 15:47:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeann Valjean
1) Do the math. If you don't understand the math, or how people got those numbers, look that up instead.

2) Charon is not shield-tanked.

3) Do not spell skills with a "z" again.

Edit: And stop hauling anything in your Kryos until you follow through on #1.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#3 - 2014-05-28 17:01:02 UTC
4) Don't AFK in space
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#4 - 2014-05-28 17:23:57 UTC
5) Definitely don't post on the forums that you AFK in space and in what ships with exact EHP readouts and cargo values.
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-05-28 18:58:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Desivo Delta Visseroff
6) Don't autopilot.


Edit: Why were you flying an interceptor with a survey scanner. They don't mine particularly wellWhat?

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#6 - 2014-05-28 19:04:33 UTC
Salpad wrote:
What will the new gank value thresholds be for AFK-autopiloted ships?


That depends on what you're moving and where (in addition to what you're flying, which you've already provided). Give us some more details and we may be able to help you.


Salpad wrote:
Charon gets new options, but since it's primarily shield tanked it may be hard to actually tank it up, as it only gets LOW slots and gets crappy fitting stats.


FYI: None of the freighters are shield tanked. The Charon has the most shields of any Freighter, but it, like all of its brethren, have far more armor and structure. That's why they're getting the role bonus to allow them to use Reinforced Bulkheads.

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Oxide Ammar
#7 - 2014-05-28 19:16:23 UTC
Manual piloting freighters for 20+ jumps is one the most astonishing experience I have ever experienced in EVE.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#8 - 2014-05-28 19:34:26 UTC
Assumption is the mother of all **** ups, so I've heard.

Recalculate, including the variable reasons for ganking other than monetary profit.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-05-28 19:48:08 UTC
Don't AFK haul more than you can afford to lose.

That's the only rule.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-05-28 21:09:39 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
5) Definitely don't post on the forums that you AFK in space and in what ships with exact EHP readouts and cargo values.

I disagree. You should post the route you're taking, what you're hailing, and the loadout of your ship. This is showing those nasty gankers who's boss and that you're not scared of them!
Atomeon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-05-28 21:31:50 UTC
Salpad wrote:
But CCP are going to change both the Charon and the Bustard.

What will the new gank value thresholds be for AFK-autopiloted ships? Charon gets new options, but since it's primarily shield tanked it may be hard to actually tank it up, as it only gets LOW slots and gets crappy fitting stats.


I disagree as the freighters have 100k - 120k hull with one Damage control II you get 2.5x EHP.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-05-28 21:34:18 UTC
Atomeon wrote:
I disagree as the freighters have 100k - 120k hull with one Damage control II you get 2.5x EHP.


And pray tell how you plan on fitting a DCII (30 CPU) on a ship with 1 CPU and 3 PG?
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-05-29 00:04:30 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
FYI: None of the freighters are shield tanked. The Charon has the most shields of any Freighter, but it, like all of its brethren, have far more armor and structure. That's why they're getting the role bonus to allow them to use Reinforced Bulkheads.

Hero Tank FTW....
Actually the changes favor the shields on a Charon over armor now, though hull will still have the highest HP.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2014-05-29 00:39:34 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
FYI: None of the freighters are shield tanked. The Charon has the most shields of any Freighter, but it, like all of its brethren, have far more armor and structure. That's why they're getting the role bonus to allow them to use Reinforced Bulkheads.

Hero Tank FTW....
Actually the changes favor the shields on a Charon over armor now, though hull will still have the highest HP.


But no mids to improve the shield where as lows boost the armor/hull. Doesn't that leave it as mostly irrelevant unless you have a shield logi with you? At which point afk stops being an issue anyhow.
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#15 - 2014-05-29 02:05:15 UTC
So it takes 15 max DPS cattys to gank a charon in a 0.5 ( Such as niarja ) thats about 150 Million ISK to kill your autopiloting freighter with a bil in cargo. Now lets say a quarter of your value drops. well thats an 100m profit for the gankers after SRP. So no your math is sadly flawed and your charon has now become a target for gankers when on autopilot i bet.

And for those of you that say cattys cant gank on gates because of the lack of tank, your right, but an autopiloting freighter is extra easy to bump out of range

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0rch1d
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#16 - 2014-05-29 02:12:12 UTC
AFK hauling?



This is like filling a U-Haul and then driving it with your eyes closed.

It doesn't work right on any medium.
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#17 - 2014-05-29 02:19:56 UTC
0rch1d wrote:
AFK hauling?



This is like filling a U-Haul and then driving it with your eyes closed.

It doesn't work right on any medium.




Hahahaha Excellent comparison

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-05-29 02:31:22 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
FYI: None of the freighters are shield tanked. The Charon has the most shields of any Freighter, but it, like all of its brethren, have far more armor and structure. That's why they're getting the role bonus to allow them to use Reinforced Bulkheads.

Hero Tank FTW....
Actually the changes favor the shields on a Charon over armor now, though hull will still have the highest HP.


But no mids to improve the shield where as lows boost the armor/hull. Doesn't that leave it as mostly irrelevant unless you have a shield logi with you? At which point afk stops being an issue anyhow.
It factors base resists in which changes the dynamic a bit. Most of the freighters seem to be gaining more than they lose thus making them a bit more natively tanky and giving them greater benefit outside of resist holes, further providing resistance against common tools like the talos which doesn't fall into those holes.

That said eve for armor freighters capable of fitting ANP's the best bet for increasing EHP seems to be bulkheads.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2014-05-29 03:24:36 UTC
Wonder if there will be any chance at a hull logi in the future. Perhaps something in the way of a new ore subcap.
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#20 - 2014-05-29 03:31:19 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
Wonder if there will be any chance at a hull logi in the future. Perhaps something in the way of a new ore subcap.


well there are hull reps, and some ships get a bonus to them If i remember correctly

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