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Visuals during warp make no sense

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Naomi Hale
#41 - 2014-05-28 14:22:39 UTC
Didn't it used to say "Warp bubble collapse in" followed by the distance during warp?

Doesn't that imply it's more of you altering the space around your ship rather than exceeding the speed of light.

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Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2014-05-28 14:23:27 UTC
Lothrus Andastar wrote:
Pod computer is simulating it because otherwise our brains explode from madness.

READ THE LORE!


How does the camera drone keep up with the ship in warp? Why doesn't it get left behind? Does it have a warp drive of its own? Is it being towed on a cable? Why can you move it? If you can put a warp drive on an invisibly tiny camera drone, why don't my Warrior 2s have warp drives?
MrFahrenheit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2014-05-28 14:26:45 UTC  |  Edited by: MrFahrenheit
Solecist Project wrote:
MrFahrenheit wrote:
Actually this http://io9.com/5976041/this-is-what-it-would-really-look-like-to-travel-at-near-lightspeed is what lightspeed travel would look like.

I prefer EvE's version of "warp travel" thx.

Female.

Mr. Fahrenheit.

Ugh


So what? I fell for a cheap cloning scam in '06 and now I'm stuck with this.

Still at least it doesn't look like I have an incurable condition.

Because lets face it there is no cure for being a c*nt.

Roll
Naomi Hale
#44 - 2014-05-28 14:44:17 UTC
This Image answers all your questions.

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2014-05-28 14:51:04 UTC
Ohhhh Feely Nice wrote:
If you are travelling at dozens/hundreds of times the speed of light, you should not be able to see the light from the stars and planets so clearly.

As you approach the speed of light things start looking like this http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/faster-speed-of-light-1.jpg

As you pass the speed of light things get very weird. Some theorize you'd see the past unraveling before your eyes. Others claim it's impossible and therefore futile to determine what may happen.

What we can be quite sure of is it certainly wouldn't look the way it does in game.

At the very least please adjust the world of New Eden to look like the linked picture when in warp.
of all the things to complain about... this is not really that big an issue. First of all, your example of the FLT is ugly. no one wants that. it's a nit that doesn't get picked because we all know it's just for gaming fun. If we changed everything to fit our narrowly calculated vision of the hypothetical universe the game would become pretty boring.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#46 - 2014-05-28 15:06:02 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:
Lothrus Andastar wrote:
Pod computer is simulating it because otherwise our brains explode from madness.

READ THE LORE!


How does the camera drone keep up with the ship in warp? Why doesn't it get left behind? Does it have a warp drive of its own? Is it being towed on a cable? Why can you move it? If you can put a warp drive on an invisibly tiny camera drone, why don't my Warrior 2s have warp drives?


The lore states that the camera drone has a special dock port on the ship (i.e. you pull it in before you warp).

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2014-05-28 15:53:19 UTC
Just stepping in to say whast likely already been said.

You dont go lightspeed in EVE because that would be impossible with ay kind of solid mass.

You can be perceived as going FTL though, kind of like the distance between galaxies expands at a faster rate than lightspeed for some galaxies. But neither is actually going faster.

In EVE you move space around you to get from A to B, thats why its a "Warp Bubble" and why it can be disrupted. It is also the justification for the submarine physics in space.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#48 - 2014-05-28 19:51:41 UTC
Do not try to warp the ship, that's impossible.

Instead, try to realize the truth.. there is no ship.

Then you will see that it is not he ship that is warped, but only yourself.

Plus, warping looks different in a fluid universe... so... yeah.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Miles Winter
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-05-28 20:46:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Miles Winter
MrFahrenheit wrote:


While that image is close, it does leave a few things out. From what I can tell, they're just looking at the visual spectrum.

First of all, there is redshifting and blueshifting - Light in front of you becomes a higher frequency, it blueshifts. Light behind you becomes lower frequency, it redshifts. This effect is visible in Eve already when you warp, although only minimally. We mostly wouldn't see this with our eyes - we can't see infrared or ultraviolet or further.

Second, whatever you are approaching appears to move away from you. This is an optical illusion caused by an increase in your field of view - and your field of view increases because you are now moving so fast you are seeing light from behind yourself. The faster you travel, the larger your field of view becomes.

Edit - Clarification: The light from behind you is still traveling faster than you are, but you're traveling fast enough that you intercept it as it crosses your path, because it is traveling at an angle to you.

Third, the photons directly in front of you begin to pile up, creating something like a light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel effect.

Were you to go at exactly lightspeed, you would see the entire universe compressed into a dot of light directly in front of you. At lower speeds, you see something that looks kind of tunnel-ish.

For your viewing pleasure, here is an animated view of near-lightspeed travel:
http://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/insidebh/photonsphereplain_640x480.gif

The observer is orbiting near lightspeed around a black hole. You can see the black hole along the bottom half of the .gif, and the universe at large along the top half.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2014-05-28 20:52:57 UTC
Ohhhh Feely Nice wrote:
As you approach the speed of light things start looking like this http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/faster-speed-of-light-1.jpg

LOL no they don't. There are no relativistic effects in that picture.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2014-05-28 20:57:57 UTC
Miles Winter wrote:
For your viewing pleasure, here is an animated view of near-lightspeed travel:
http://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/insidebh/photonsphereplain_640x480.gif

The observer is orbiting near lightspeed around a black hole. You can see the black hole along the bottom half of the .gif, and the universe at large along the top half.

There we go, I was looking for that. Thank you.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#52 - 2014-05-29 02:43:28 UTC
And now a few words from William Shatner:

http://youtu.be/wyk7rR-VcGQ

"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#53 - 2014-05-29 08:40:26 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
MrFahrenheit wrote:
Actually this http://io9.com/5976041/this-is-what-it-would-really-look-like-to-travel-at-near-lightspeed is what lightspeed travel would look like.

I prefer EvE's version of "warp travel" thx.

Female.

Mr. Fahrenheit.

Ugh


Lol you really want to go there?

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Lila Merle
Paper Cats
#54 - 2014-05-29 09:18:25 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:
Lothrus Andastar wrote:
Pod computer is simulating it because otherwise our brains explode from madness.

READ THE LORE!


How does the camera drone keep up with the ship in warp? Why doesn't it get left behind? Does it have a warp drive of its own? Is it being towed on a cable? Why can you move it? If you can put a warp drive on an invisibly tiny camera drone, why don't my Warrior 2s have warp drives?


Camera Drones

Combat drones and probes also have small warp drives
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#55 - 2014-05-29 12:14:51 UTC
its the fluid that fills the void that is refered to as "space" in eve, it transmits light at superluminal speeds. It is this amazing feature that unfortunately causes a spaceship to slow down when the engines throttle back too. We cant have everything our way!
Mass Doe
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2014-05-29 12:20:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Mass Doe
When you warp you are not moving at all. Let alone FTL. It is the space around you that moves. But not directionally as on would think. Warp is not FTL. The ship does not move in its local space. Instead it is the space in front of the space that comes toward you location and the space behind retreats.

Eve dynamics is much more like being underwater than in space.
CaliCartel
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2014-05-29 13:06:30 UTC
ITS A GAME HAVE FUN or GTFO
XxRTEKxX
256th Shadow Wing
Phantom-Recon
#58 - 2014-05-29 14:44:03 UTC
Ohhhh Feely Nice wrote:
If you are travelling at dozens/hundreds of times the speed of light, you should not be able to see the light from the stars and planets so clearly.

As you approach the speed of light things start looking like this http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/faster-speed-of-light-1.jpg

As you pass the speed of light things get very weird. Some theorize you'd see the past unraveling before your eyes. Others claim it's impossible and therefore futile to determine what may happen.

What we can be quite sure of is it certainly wouldn't look the way it does in game.

At the very least please adjust the world of New Eden to look like the linked picture when in warp.


Unless you've ever, or anyone has traveled faster than light, then it's all just theory.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#59 - 2014-05-29 14:45:15 UTC
Ohhhh Feely Nice wrote:

At the very least please adjust the world


If anyone needs a quote to cover entitlement, there you go

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

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