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Player Owned Customs Offices: Math, Markets and Design Problems

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#241 - 2011-12-04 16:55:51 UTC
I can only hope Cygnet actually believes all that, because that would really make his posts all the better.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Crystal Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#242 - 2011-12-04 17:16:19 UTC
Not to flog the dead horse, but the whole thing doesn't make sense, PI was/is an individual activity.

You can't group up with some protection and a hauler and do Corp PI.

Now all of a sudden the CO is an Alliance based design.

Hellooo?

Most corps do not have all their members PI on the same planets, even in the same region, people have set it up all over the place, INDIVIDUALLY because it is a INDIVIDUAL activity.

Even the benfit of having your own POCO is pointless unless everyone tears down their PI and moves, what does that cost?
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#243 - 2011-12-04 19:57:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
pmchem wrote:
Cygnet is so mad at these changes and his loss of the posting war that he continues his bitter attempt to get the thread locked for off-topic trolling. Dude needs a forum temp ban.


In other news, people are realizing that the world has NOT ended and PI is still something they can do, so forum opposition from anyone not named Cygnet has fallen to a trickle. The tax changes are good and POCOs are flying off the shelves. Expansion success.


And it wouldn't have had anything to do with goonswarm trolling every thread on it while the mods do nothing? You do know that, unlike me, most people get bored or irritated with you guys and go do something constructive like cancel their accounts.


And, for an alliance that has no interesting in mining and PI, how is it exactly that you're pulling down the 12,000,000m3 per day on that level 5 then? Magic? Are you ganking the asteroids and then looting their wrecks?

Edit: amazingly this went up before pmchem accused Crystal of being my alt due ot failure to agree with goonswarm.
Pirokobo
Game.Theory
GameTheory
#244 - 2011-12-04 20:01:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Pirokobo
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Compared to the rest of the eve universe, not much, compared to the largest territory holder other then you, quite a bit.


http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliances

We are not the largest territory holder. Not even by a long shot.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#245 - 2011-12-04 20:02:31 UTC
Trolling, or setting the record straight?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#246 - 2011-12-04 20:04:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
Lord Zim wrote:
Trolling, or setting the record straight?



Level 5 industry, anyone? Pretty high for a alliance with supposedly no organized mining ops.


Pirokobo wrote:

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliances

We are not the largest territory holder. Not even by a long shot.


And we'll ignore those systems in Outer Ring and Fountain and Aridia you dominate entirely without actually claiming. Oh, and 4th place from the top is pretty close, actually.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#247 - 2011-12-04 20:48:38 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Level 5 industry, anyone? Pretty high for a alliance with supposedly no organized mining ops.

I have no idea how much clearer I can say this, but there are no alliance-wide mining ops. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
CynoNet Two
GSF Logistics and Posting Reserves
Goonswarm Federation
#248 - 2011-12-04 21:05:30 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Cygnet nicely confirms my assumption that, to put up with the sheer tedium and awfulness of PI, you have to be a raging sperg who dates spreadsheets.


Better that then a corrupt bastard that uses any position, and I do mean any position, he assumes to screw people because he can't get it up.

See, here's the thing Mitt, even if you win here, even if you dominate EvE, what's that get you in the end? King of the Scrap yard? Lord of the Wasteland?

'Our ships run on the tears of others'. Yeah, but in the end, people will stop being your victims, one way or another. And then what, Mitt? What happens when these jokers realize they've been taken for a ride all this time by someone who's really a very small person, no matter how hard he pretends otherwise.

Eventually, Mitt, all these guys and gals posting for you, all these 'loyal goons' are going to realize you're nothing but a leech. A parasite on both their fun and their game.

Goon ships run on tears Mitt. One day they'll run on yours.


I'm clicking 'like' on your post.

It's not because I agree with you, you understand. It's because it makes me happy that I'm not you. So happy.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#249 - 2011-12-04 21:10:10 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Cygnet nicely confirms my assumption that, to put up with the sheer tedium and awfulness of PI, you have to be a raging sperg who dates spreadsheets.


Better that then a corrupt bastard that uses any position, and I do mean any position, he assumes to screw people because he can't get it up.

See, here's the thing Mitt, even if you win here, even if you dominate EvE, what's that get you in the end? King of the Scrap yard? Lord of the Wasteland?

'Our ships run on the tears of others'. Yeah, but in the end, people will stop being your victims, one way or another. And then what, Mitt? What happens when these jokers realize they've been taken for a ride all this time by someone who's really a very small person, no matter how hard he pretends otherwise.

Eventually, Mitt, all these guys and gals posting for you, all these 'loyal goons' are going to realize you're nothing but a leech. A parasite on both their fun and their game.

Goon ships run on tears Mitt. One day they'll run on yours.


my nickname is 'mittens'

~hi~
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#250 - 2011-12-04 21:10:25 UTC  |  Edited by: The Mittani
we were ganked our forums are bad, lawl!

also i pretty much get it up when i cause pain, not because i can't get it up in the first place. that's kind of the whole point

~hi~
CynoNet Two
GSF Logistics and Posting Reserves
Goonswarm Federation
#251 - 2011-12-04 21:10:42 UTC  |  Edited by: CynoNet Two
Crystal Liche wrote:
Not to flog the dead horse, but the whole thing doesn't make sense, PI was/is an individual activity.

You can't group up with some protection and a hauler and do Corp PI.

Now all of a sudden the CO is an Alliance based design.

Hellooo?

Most corps do not have all their members PI on the same planets, even in the same region, people have set it up all over the place, INDIVIDUALLY because it is a INDIVIDUAL activity.

Even the benfit of having your own POCO is pointless unless everyone tears down their PI and moves, what does that cost?


PI is as much an individual activity as ratting and mining. Yet if you're doing any of these outside of hi-sec you generally need some form of support from an organised group. POCOs are the game mechanic that lets PI feed into corp or alliance-level income in the same way as ratting taxes and refining takes on outposts.
It's also a form of 'cushion' for when CCP eventually nerfs moon-mining, allowing groups to keep getting income from member activities.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#252 - 2011-12-04 21:12:53 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Trolling, or setting the record straight?



Level 5 industry, anyone? Pretty high for a alliance with supposedly no organized mining ops.


Pirokobo wrote:

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliances

We are not the largest territory holder. Not even by a long shot.


And we'll ignore those systems in Outer Ring and Fountain and Aridia you dominate entirely without actually claiming. Oh, and 4th place from the top is pretty close, actually.


i own aridia now?

thanks science and industry, i learn new things itf everyday

~hi~
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#253 - 2011-12-04 22:56:13 UTC
The Mittani wrote:

also i pretty much get it up when i cause pain


He is a RL Lawyer, after all.

Poor taste? Eh f*** it.


As for the Goons mining and doing PI, I'd bet there are plenty of them doing both, but they don't have mandatory combat ops. They protect their space through volunteerism. Why in the world would they have mandatory mining ops?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Gar Earthbendiir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#254 - 2011-12-05 00:18:11 UTC
I guess there's lotsa good points put up in these 13 pages.... TL;DR past page 3 for me.

All numbers aside, I'm a fan of putting up POCO's in my lo sec enemy's backyard and then fighting over it. I've gotten a lot of 'meh' from my corp, but I think it's because nobody's ever fought over a POCO. It's new and unknown, and generally known as boring. I think. Oh well, we'll see how it goes right?
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#255 - 2011-12-05 03:15:35 UTC
The Mittani wrote:

my nickname is 'mittens'


Stop by my office, and get the form filled out in triplicate, have it notarized, and I'll consider calling you that.

BTW: what bar are you before? Nevada?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#256 - 2011-12-05 04:34:12 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
The Mittani wrote:

my nickname is 'mittens'


Stop by my office, and get the form filled out in triplicate, have it notarized, and I'll consider calling you that.

BTW: what bar are you before? Nevada?



I'm often in front of any bar that hasn't 86'd me yet, but I suspect you were asking Mittens.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
pmchem
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#257 - 2011-12-05 04:52:00 UTC
Gar Earthbendiir wrote:
I guess there's lotsa good points put up in these 13 pages.... TL;DR past page 3 for me.


tl;dr - I make a post about taxes which economically minded people and CCP agree is a good thing for the game. Expansion includes the change. Hysterical highsec (and some lowsec) people are mad their profits are reduced by some small percent and furiously post about how this will be THE DEATH OF EVE UNSUBBING 40000 ACCTS!!! Other people argue or laugh in response. Markets prove me correct and POCOs are a popular success, life goes on.

https://twitter.com/pmchem/ || http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/community-spotlight-garpa/ || Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
bilingi
Grandeur Illusions
#258 - 2011-12-05 06:16:53 UTC
No you didnt you came on here doing damage control for the goons.... Which is funny as hell cause no one believes you anyway....
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#259 - 2011-12-05 07:17:20 UTC
Damage control? For what? We're loving the changes, at least those of us who aren't complete jews.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#260 - 2011-12-05 08:12:56 UTC
Damage Control? Goons? Goons don't do PR damage control, they do PR damage amplification. They're kind of funny(sociopathic) like that.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon