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Ohhhh Feely Nice
Feely Good Logistics
#21 - 2014-05-28 11:13:42 UTC
It does promote teamwork and social atmosphere in the game. Many corps who have customs offices up are recruiting. The Forge is dominated but larger groups by not all regions are like that. You might consider joining one of the corps that controls custom offices.
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#22 - 2014-05-28 11:18:07 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
I do not think CCP nerfed PI . I think CCP are slowly nerfing solo play.

In what way?


Doing PI is solo play. But owning the poco favors "group" playing.... PI still exist but....the fact that HS pocos are now mostly owned by group of players that now control how much they "take" from you when you do your PI, I consider this a nerf. Not a big nerf but still a nerf in some way.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#23 - 2014-05-28 11:19:28 UTC
If you don't like the taxes then blow them up and put your own down.. Or pay someone else to blow them up.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#24 - 2014-05-28 11:22:29 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
I do not think CCP nerfed PI . I think CCP are slowly nerfing solo play.

PI is only a solo play option at this stage.

I hope when they get around to iterating it again that they actually introduce some cooperative play aspects.



PI is only solo play.. you sure about that?

Pretty sure that most Custom Offices which is a major part of PI are owned by corps which if my memory is correct, is a group of players.

Group of Players owning a Custom Office

Custom offices major part of PI

Solo play...

hmmm

confused....



not to mention pooling resources / production lines to help offset the costs of doing other corp-y things (e.g. setting up a POS).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#25 - 2014-05-28 11:35:40 UTC
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
I do not think CCP nerfed PI . I think CCP are slowly nerfing solo play.

In what way?


Doing PI is solo play. But owning the poco favors "group" playing.... PI still exist but....the fact that HS pocos are now mostly owned by group of players that now control how much they "take" from you when you do your PI, I consider this a nerf. Not a big nerf but still a nerf in some way.


Sorry, but I dont understand why you are unable to put your own POCO up

I dont see what the big deal is

Its not a nerf, its just more expensive in the wrong circumstances

Like all commodities

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2014-05-28 11:38:03 UTC
Magnus Orly wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Then move.

If you ar not happy with the taxes, go find a place where you are happy,



I was happy with the taxes and the corps that had the Custom Offices for the planets I used....but guess what....they changed....

This is what happends when you put things like this in the hands of the players. I guess at least now they can blame the players themselves for nerfing P.I. Ugh


Have you tried talking to the new owners?
Everytime my planets take on a new outsourced tax collection regime i contact the CEO and discuss tax rates. since the change my high sec taxes have been lower than they were previously. (the tax lowering skill trained to 4). I have had to talk to 3 corps since the change.
It has been a buff to high sec PI.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#27 - 2014-05-28 11:59:35 UTC
Magnus Orly wrote:
...be a ninja-nerf to Planetary Interaction. Evil

Lets face it. We are paying more tax nowdays to get the fruit of our labour....

Only the giant corporations are gaining anything from this right?


So do what you're supposed to do in EVE... destroy them, put up you own, profit until the next person comes along.
Prince Kobol
#28 - 2014-05-28 12:10:07 UTC
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
I do not think CCP nerfed PI . I think CCP are slowly nerfing solo play.

In what way?


Doing PI is solo play. But owning the poco favors "group" playing.... PI still exist but....the fact that HS pocos are now mostly owned by group of players that now control how much they "take" from you when you do your PI, I consider this a nerf. Not a big nerf but still a nerf in some way.



You do realise you have just contradicted yourself.


"Doing PI is solo play"

"owning the poco favors "group" playing"

Custom Offices and PI are part of the same thing.
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#29 - 2014-05-28 12:17:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Dragon Outlaw
I Love Boobies wrote:
Magnus Orly wrote:
...be a ninja-nerf to Planetary Interaction. Evil

Lets face it. We are paying more tax nowdays to get the fruit of our labour....

Only the giant corporations are gaining anything from this right?


So do what you're supposed to do in EVE... destroy them, put up you own, profit until the next person comes along.



This could work for a few pocos...until a bigger group decides they not gona let you. I saw Usurper the other day get stomped by Shadow Cartel somewhere in Genesis. Usurper, a significant sized entity was trying (i guess) to "grow" their poco network. Shadow Cartel decided they would put a stop to it.

You can try to take down some pocos to put yours....but on the long run, bigger groups will always have their say to it. And there is not much a solo player (or small group) will be able to do much against this.

So the "do what you're supposed to do in EVE"....is team UP. Then destroy!
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#30 - 2014-05-28 12:27:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Dragon Outlaw
Prince Kobol wrote:
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
I do not think CCP nerfed PI . I think CCP are slowly nerfing solo play.

In what way?


Doing PI is solo play. But owning the poco favors "group" playing.... PI still exist but....the fact that HS pocos are now mostly owned by group of players that now control how much they "take" from you when you do your PI, I consider this a nerf. Not a big nerf but still a nerf in some way.



You do realise you have just contradicted yourself.


"Doing PI is solo play"

"owning the poco favors "group" playing"

Custom Offices and PI are part of the same thing.



No I didn't. COs were not owned by players before. You were not subject to other players taxing you. Now you are! Before CCP made the COs players owned, a player deciding to do Pi could "predict" how both elements could affect him. Now one of those elements (the now POCOs) have become a factor to "deal" with.

By the way, I am not complaining about this. Just stating my view on how CCP affected PI with their changes, specially for solo players!
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#31 - 2014-05-28 12:28:13 UTC
Magnus Orly wrote:
Thanks for the offer Scipio,

but WH's are out of the question for me.

As an industrialist and a trader I want to know in what system I am going to wake up the next morning.... Shocked

WH's really are your best option for this imo.

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Solecist Project
#32 - 2014-05-28 12:28:28 UTC
Ohhhh Feely Nice wrote:
It does promote teamwork and social atmosphere in the game. Many corps who have customs offices up are recruiting. The Forge is dominated but larger groups by not all regions are like that. You might consider joining one of the corps that controls custom offices.

Why did you block me? O:

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Adunh Slavy
#33 - 2014-05-28 12:30:02 UTC
Start a revolution.

Hang your POCO taxing overloads by their thumbs in the town square and let the children beat them with sticks.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Solecist Project
#34 - 2014-05-28 12:30:16 UTC
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
I Love Boobies wrote:
Magnus Orly wrote:
...be a ninja-nerf to Planetary Interaction. Evil

Lets face it. We are paying more tax nowdays to get the fruit of our labour....

Only the giant corporations are gaining anything from this right?


So do what you're supposed to do in EVE... destroy them, put up you own, profit until the next person comes along.



This could work for a few pocos...until a bigger group decides they not gona let you. I saw Usurper the other day get stomped by Shadow Cartel somewhere in Genesis. Userper, a significant sized entity was trying (i guess) to "grow" their poco network. Shadow Cartel decided they would put a stop to it.

You can try to take down some player owned pocos to put yours....but on the long run, bigger groups will always have their say to it. And there is not much a solo player (or small group) will be able to do much against this.

So the "do what you're supposed to do in EVE"....is team UP. Then destroy!

Welcome to EVE and life in general, I'd say. xD

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#35 - 2014-05-28 12:32:28 UTC
Then do it in lowsec. Or better yet, in a wormhole.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#36 - 2014-05-28 12:34:57 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
PI is only solo play.. you sure about that?

Yep absolutely.

The POCO serves only to collect taxes and for individuals to move resources between their colonies and/or to hangers and markets. There is no play involved in it as a group.

Shooting POCOs is a different issue and not part of the PI game, just part of the PvP game.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#37 - 2014-05-28 13:05:38 UTC
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
I do not think CCP nerfed PI . I think CCP are slowly nerfing solo play.

In what way?


Doing PI is solo play. But owning the poco favors "group" playing.... PI still exist but....the fact that HS pocos are now mostly owned by group of players that now control how much they "take" from you when you do your PI, I consider this a nerf. Not a big nerf but still a nerf in some way.



You do realise you have just contradicted yourself.


"Doing PI is solo play"

"owning the poco favors "group" playing"

Custom Offices and PI are part of the same thing.



No I didn't. POCOs were not owned by players before. You were not subject to other players taxing you. Now you are! Before CCP made the POCOs players owned, a player deciding to do Pi could "predict" how both elements could affect him. Now one of those elements (the POCOs) have become a factor to "deal" with.

By the way, I am not complaining about this. Just stating my view on how CCP affected PI with their changes, specially for solo players!


You do realize that "POCO" is an acronym for "Player Owned Customs Office", right?

By definition, they have always been owned by the players.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#38 - 2014-05-28 14:22:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Dragon Outlaw
Velicitia wrote:
You do realize that "POCO" is an acronym for "Player Owned Customs Office", right?

By definition, they have always been owned by the players.



Oups yeah you are right...my bad....COs then...Custom Offices.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2014-05-28 14:27:24 UTC
Magnus Orly wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Then move.

If you ar not happy with the taxes, go find a place where you are happy,



I was happy with the taxes and the corps that had the Custom Offices for the planets I used....but guess what....they changed....

This is what happends when you put things like this in the hands of the players. I guess at least now they can blame the players themselves for nerfing P.I. Ugh


Go to NPC null and have a look around. Some of the tax rates there are quite low and a lot of it is fairly static.
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
#40 - 2014-05-28 14:32:40 UTC
Magnus Orly wrote:
...be a ninja-nerf to Planetary Interaction. Evil

Lets face it. We are paying more tax nowdays to get the fruit of our labour....

Only the giant corporations are gaining anything from this right?


Do you feel like you're being scammed? Does it feel like these large ebil corporations are 'torturing' you with their 'unfair' POCO taxes?

If so, you want to contact the law offices of New Eden's social justice champion (Rev.) Ripard Teg.

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