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Would you PLEX for music?

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-05-28 10:24:28 UTC
Imagine you could listen to your own personal playlist while playing EVE... Yes that's what mp3 players are for BUT...

Imagine you could broadcast your playlist to all your fleet... Nice, huh?

Now, imagine you could broadcast your playlist to everybody on-grid with you, say via a 'SpaceAmp' utility highslot mod... Ride of the Valkyries, anyone? Or maybe airhorn Wrecking Ball if you're in PL...

What about broadcasting it to the entire system, with a 'SpaceAmp' deployable? Make your home system rock! Or funky, or classy jazz...

Just imagine travelling through New Eden and listening to a different musical style in each system... And praising (or disapproving of) the locals' tastes in local chat...

Do you prefer your space slient? No problem, scan the 'SpaceAmp' and shoot it down! Then maybe replace it with your own, possibly playing 'The Sound of Silence'...


If CCP made a deal with any music streaming website that allowed you to create your playlist out of thousands of songs, developed a simple EVE-client interface (also handling the in-game broadcast 'rules') and let the partner handle all the streaming (no additional EVE server load), would you pay PLEX for the service?

For the sake of discussion, say 1 PLEX gave you 20 hours of streaming 'rights'. You get to decide all the songs, when to play them and who (if anyone) to broadcast them to, also using in-game tools to interact with other players (modules, deployables).

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#2 - 2014-05-28 10:26:11 UTC
A good mic and solid TS connection and I can do this for free without bothering people in local

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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-05-28 10:33:47 UTC
With this, every day is Frriday!
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#4 - 2014-05-28 10:35:29 UTC
No, no, no, hell no

They could however bring back the jukebox.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#5 - 2014-05-28 10:40:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Hey look, another features and ideas discussion in GD. If only CCP thought ahead and made say a sub-forum for this kinda stuff Pirate

Anywat, shoutcast? Pretty much for the price of a Plex you can run it all month from a virtual server rental. Don't even need to waste a stack of Plex. Unless you want to contract them over to me, up to you.

Brooks Puuntai wrote:
They could however bring back the jukebox.

^^ damn straight

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-05-28 10:59:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
Webvan wrote:
Anywat, shoutcast? Pretty much for the price of a Plex you can run it all month from a virtual server rental.

Sure, but that's simply out-of-game broadcasting.

It doesn't even go near the player-to-player interaction potential of a broadcast tool integrated with the game and its mechanics.

I understand that you personally find the possibilities uninspiring, but you can't really compare two very different user experiences.

About the price, sure if currently 20$ buys you a month of server rental including royalties, 1 PLEX could give you 200 hours instead of 20 - just assume the price is fair considering all costs including royalties.


EDIT: also, to better understand your point of view, are you saying you'd personally enjoy this feature if it were free? if not, why would you (like almost everbody I think) like the jukebox back, but dislike an expansion of the jukebox itself?

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Solecist Project
#7 - 2014-05-28 11:06:41 UTC
Services and software for this exists plentyfull and is free.

What's the point?

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#8 - 2014-05-28 11:17:16 UTC
Royalties? I'd just play my own music, I don't need to pay myself. Then there are tons of royalty-free music, almost as good as mine P

You just put the link in your bio, thus eveyone in the solar system can have access to it. You could even go podcast, I know some here that do that. If CCP would be willing to do anything with music in which people would use, they need to add a customizable jukebox. Was the best feature in EVE, the old one.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#9 - 2014-05-28 11:21:33 UTC
Royalties are a major concern with this. Broadcast rights are expensive.

So it's not going to happen.

As for playing your own music, that's what a decent audio player is for, on your pc. Not embedded in eve. It adds nothing, and takes development time. Especially when you then get people asking 'why doesn't it play X format'

Run Eve in fixed window (or windowed) mode, and you can alt tab to your player, without minimizing Eve.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-05-28 11:32:54 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Services and software for this exists plentyfull and is free.

What's the point?

At its core, the point is to give players a powerful and easy-to-use tool to creatively influence the social space around them (corp, fleet, grid, system).

The tool could be freely used ''for good' to enrichen a corp or fleet identity or create a pleasing ambiance for everyone to share, or 'for bad' to blast intimidating war-music into the enemy fleet's ears or even just to plss-off the locals, daring them to warp to the music source and shoot it down.

Possibilities would be endless, though sure you may find them obnoxious or distracting to core EVE gameplay. But just imagine your favorite movie without its soundtrack. Big smile

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#11 - 2014-05-28 11:36:21 UTC
I think when people say that, theh have little to no music to listen to, seldom do. In the old system I could easily pick and choose what I wanted to listen to on the fly w/o screwing with alt tabbing etc. For years I kept the player on my screen all the time, quick easy access and made EVE a much better game for it. This feature has also been in other classic mmo's, and I took full advantage of it as a music lover. Was one of the best features of EVE. Now I just turn the sound off.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-05-28 11:49:34 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Royalties are a major concern with this. Broadcast rights are expensive.

So it's not going to happen.

As for playing your own music, that's what a decent audio player is for, on your pc. Not embedded in eve. It adds nothing, and takes development time. Especially when you then get people asking 'why doesn't it play X format'

Run Eve in fixed window (or windowed) mode, and you can alt tab to your player, without minimizing Eve.

Yes, I assumed PLEX instead of free to cover the royalties, and development would be just for an interface towards the third party's streaming service (that the third party would certainly collaborate on).

It's not about playing my own music all by myself, it's about player-to-player interaction and the opportunity for EVE players to further influence and shape 'their space'. Which you may, of course, think is a bad idea regarding in-game background music.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#13 - 2014-05-28 11:50:00 UTC
I find it a bit ironic how so many ISD staff have monocles... Since you know the whole "MonocleGate" was part of the reason many of them got the positions they have now.

Just an observation, and totally not a attempt to get this terrible thread locked, moved, or orbitally bombarded...

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#14 - 2014-05-28 11:51:45 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
a powerful and easy-to-use tool to creatively influence the social space around them


Oh I get it!

The strategic aim is to standardise the infrastructures to drive down operating costs through supply based consolidation and leveraging group spend as well as exploiting best-in-class technologies and practices to provide robust, scalable and agile services with excellent customer experience.

Gotcha.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-05-28 11:55:43 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
I find it a bit ironic how so many ISD staff have monocles... Since you know the whole "MonocleGate" was part of the reason many of them got the positions they have now.

Just an observation, and totally not a attempt to get this terrible thread locked, moved, or orbitally bombarded...

To better understand your point of view, do you really not like music that much or do you just think there's no point in music sharing in EVE?

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#16 - 2014-05-28 11:59:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
It is a pointless addition that adds very little at a high cost of development and possibly legal issues. Forcing other users to listen to peoples "awesome track mix" will only solidify the meme "Eve has sound?". Not to mention streaming services are already available outside of game similar to Eve Radio, which makes utilizing resources on this redundant. Similar to Eve-Voice, however at least eve voice has a useful purpose where as your idea does not.

E: The only "useful" addition this could add is if WiS was fully fleshed out as it was originally advertised. Which then people who open bars/clubs and/or player owned stations could have the music running in there. However it would still cause legal issues and be somewhat of a waste of development. But it would at least match the setting.

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Dav Varan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-05-28 11:59:16 UTC
In space nobody can hear you stream.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-05-28 12:12:08 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
It is a pointless addition that adds very little at a high cost of development and possibly legal issues. Forcing other users to listen to peoples "awesome track mix" will only solidify the meme "Eve has sound?". Not to mention streaming services are already available outside of game similar to Eve Radio, which makes utilizing resources on this redundant. Similar to Eve-Voice, however at least eve voice has a useful purpose where as your idea does not.

Thank you, it's clear now!

If the idea was popular, PLEX would easily cover development costs and royalties, both of which a business partner (from the internet music industry) would know how to manage efficiently.

If, on the contrary, the majority of the playerbase kinda agrees with you then yes, it would be pointless.

Given that almost everyone loves music (and the old Jukebox) and that music streaming and sharing services are a multi-billion dollar business, it seemed at least worthy of a GD thread on a slow day. Big smile

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#19 - 2014-05-28 12:13:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Yeah, same, I go with 'redundant' since you cant control track selection. There would be no dif between having it in-game or running the stream from another app but just playing on the same computer. You just srart it and forget about it. The only game I can think of that does that is second life (not meant as a scorn). And knowing how that works, the liability excuse is actually bogus. But apart from that comment, it's still just a bit redundant. And really, compared to SL, you are just over complicating the ideal.

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Marsha Mallow
#20 - 2014-05-28 12:17:21 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
To better understand your point of view, do you really not like music that much or do you just think there's no point in music sharing in EVE?

I can see it *might* be fun but. We are talking about Eve players here. Fleets chasing each other would just stream Benny Hill music in local. Or record themselves singing and broadcast it. Some things are just too horriable to imagine.

Do we really want people running to media outlets and concerned CSMs crying they've been musically harassed? Or because someone said their singing was atrocious?

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