Market Discussions

from where i sit, the only problem would be that it would actively suppress the EVE economy. players a and b build items and farm lp to put stuff on the market but player c ignores their stuff and just buys his stuff from the NES.

Poofing anything functional into the game, with out players having to work, risk and fight for it, destroys the game.

Even one shuttle would be bad. That shuttle represents 10 minutes of some noob mining, some trader hauling the mins, some builder building, some ganker blowing it up. All of those game play oppertunities, and more, are destroyed by your horrible idea.

You're forgetting that the skins don't give an advantage other than being pretty, and faction ammo requires LP to purchase.

The point is the current system doesn't change the amount of stuff in the game it just changes who owns it.

I have suggested that be not only purchased with AUR, but be produced as well.

ccp kind of needs the vanity items to be exclusive to the aur store only, making items in the aur store that can also be made in game loses them money and destroys the value and also gives people another way to gain "free2play" too much f2p and you kill the game.

also creating these items which are exclusive to only the aur store which gain an advantage in game puts a real world price on accounts, people will pay real world money for blinged out accounts with thousands of dollars spent on these crazy mods from the store. dont know what the case is with account selling in eve for rl money if it happens or not

Where did the ISK come from? It just magically appears?

Nope, someone worked for that ISK in the past. Your example is what is examined in post #8, it transfers existing wealth from one player to another. it is not creating new wealth in the sandbox.

.... would pay PLEX for the Ethereal Dragon flying mount... with glowing eyes.

Apparently being able to buy PLEX with real money gives someone an advantage over me. Such a mystery.

It's not what Adunh and others are saying. They talk about the potentially disruptive effects of short-cutting the economy (macro effects) on the whole game rather the implications to the "individual end user" (micro effects).

Said that, PLEX do introduce a discrimination effect that I have never liked (to the point I refuse to keep my subs with PLEX despite I could go on for a decade with them). The guy / corp with more money indeed gets an advantage. It's true in the end it's ISK somebody else fought for (therefore the macro economy is saved) but it stil steers "success" (in the broadest sense), "power", "potential" to one party to another with greater RL buying power.

BUT there are two buts:

- In game, PLEXes are "public", the guy indeed gets "unfair" advantage for a while but market price provides a negative feedback to his plans. The more PLEXes in game, the least ISK (benefit) they provide, aka "diminishing returns". It might be debatable whether the rate and effective amount of diminished return really affect the guy but that's still an implemented mechanic that works and may just need tweaks. Also, with the price increase we have seen, it's clear nobody really (ab)used this advantage in a large scale way enough to cause a price crash.

- The alternative is worse. PLEXes are not a panacea, they are the sanctioned way to RMT. That is, take away or "nerf" PLEX enough and we get back to the whole alliances of bots, back to 2 ISK pu Tritanium, to rich people just feeding RL cash farmers. All those who played since before PLEX know what I am talking about and the immense RMT amount we had.
Therefore, PLEX is a "lesser evil" to keep "too RL rich people at bay" or, better, convey their RL money into CCP's pockets rather than sweat farm enslavers. And to keep servers CPU usage low (CCP posted how huge toll bots took on their servers in the past, huge load = laggier and just worse play experience).


Therefore, PLEX is something that if everybody were "fair players" would provide an individual semi-unfair advantage, but since many are not "fair players" at all, then it's a conduit to control their push into a developers controlled, "sterylized" outcome.