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Yet Another Naga vs Rokh Thread

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Miles Bright
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-05-27 19:29:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Miles Bright
This topic has probably been passed around more times than the bible but here we go.

Is the Naga more superior to the Rokh despite being a grade lower?

I've flown both now and to be honest the Rokh is proving more of a burden than a successor.
Here is what I've noticed while using my loadouts.

With the Naga's 95% reduction for large hybrid weapons I can easily equip x8 425mm Compressed Coil guns and have plenty of CPU and Power for a variety of upgrades to enhance my range (both weapon and lock on), tracking speed, movement speed damage and damage control.

Along with this the Naga Locks onto small targets in roughly 5 seconds allowing me to blast away while range is still my ally.

A perfect ship in my eyes is played correctly in any scenario. the lack of a drone bay is perhaps its ONLY let down.

While Playing with the Rokh I had trouble equipping all x8 425mm Compressed Coil guns along with the satisfactory add-ons to match the Naga and include the famous tanking abilities. (I ended up with x6 or x7 coil guns)

Along to its Negative points it takes a whooping 20-25 seconds to lock onto smaller ships and proves to slow for my conventional Naga tactics for staying at range effectively.

I'm often finding myself sitting there tanking while my drones pick off the smaller ships because the Rokh is to slow to lock and move.

I have tried the blaster variant which has proved better than compressed coil guns, but still struggles against the faster ships. and I do fear will struggle with its slow speed at perusing larger vessels.

I feel like i'm flying an obese punching bag rather than a ship

Does anyone have any tips on how to bring out better use in my Rokh or does anyone agree with my facts?
It could be that i'm a crap player or I could be right, let us know =)

P.s, Rant Over, Thanks for reading

Edit: Unlike all the other threads I don't want to see "It can tank, take more damage etc etc etc" I want to know what way is the battleship more offensive than the battlecruiser, because at the moment it seems inferior.

Again, I already know it can take more hits, I said that when I called the rokh a punching bag.
Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#2 - 2014-05-27 19:32:41 UTC
The rokh can take a bigger punch
Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-05-27 19:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Cassandra Aurilien
PVE or PVP?

If PVE, what exactly are you using it for?

Also, a Naga is a size category smaller, not a grade lower. Bigger isn't necessarily better, especially if you are trying to use it to run something like level 3's. The Rokh is meant to be a long range sniper (100KM+ away). There are far better ships than either for closer ranges than that.

Edit: Easy way to use the Rokh - MJD drive out. Snipe. MJD back.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-05-27 19:58:14 UTC
They are different ships for different roles, trying to directly compare them is silly. Sure, the ships carry similar bonuses, and were directly designed to favour the same weapon system, railguns. Both also work out quite well with blasters.
The similarities end there.
The rokh can be a self tanking monster, the naga is only effective in pvp situations with a buffer fit.
The rokh favours a big tank, the naga favours speed.
The rokh has drones to deal with small targets, the naga is completely defenseless against a frig that gets under its guns.

With good skills, you can fit a full rack of 425mm railgun IIs to a rokh just the same as to a naga, both fits require a reactor control usually if you want an MWD and other junk on there.

Both are good in their own role, and both most certainly are different ships for different roles. Neither is 'superior' nor is either a grade higher or lower. One is a battlecruiser, one is a battleship. Under the old rating system, the Naga is a tier 3 battlecruiser, the rokh is a tier 3 battleship.
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#5 - 2014-05-27 20:01:13 UTC
Naga please.

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Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#6 - 2014-05-27 20:07:04 UTC
The Rokh is going to have a much better tank than the Naga, the Naga is designed more for long range pvp sniping hit and run tactics, it's not designed to get into a brawl nor do anything PVE related that requires tanking multiple battleship spawns. I guess you could kite with it in PVE but I would venture sig radius would make it nearly a moot point.

Battleships really aren't good for pvp unless you're in a fleet doctrine fit and in a fleet operation. The low maneuverability, tracking and locking usually makes any class BS caught alone easy pickings for smaller gangs. Basically whats already been said, they're not comparable, they both fill different roles.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
WASPY69
Xerum.
#7 - 2014-05-27 20:13:24 UTC
Naga

  • Glass canon
  • Almost 4 times as cheap as the Rokh
  • Faster aligning
  • Smaller sig compared to the Rokh
Rokh

  • Can take a serious beating, and is less likely to be alpha'd and can take two or three volleys of damage from enemy fleet allowing reps to have a chance to land, whereas a Naga would 'splode badly.
  • Can use MJD in fleets to dictate range or GTFO.
  • Can fit for Disco for fun tiems either popping pods or pipebombing

As for PVE as your OP seems to suggest, they would both be able to get the job done. Rokh for newer players where tank is more important, and the Naga for more experienced players to blitz the missions with it's sig tank and dps.

Sure there's more to it, but that's all from the top of my head vOv

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NIFTYGetAtMe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-05-27 20:15:53 UTC
Why expect to kite in a big slow battleship with the same efficiency as a slightly less slow battlecruiser?? And why compare a BS to a BC when engaging small targets?? BS's have terrible lock times, so engage other BS's. The Rokh has always been a Battleship fleet sniper and a viable solo ship because of it's large buffer ability or extreme active tank ability. Don't say "is the ship designed to do what I want superior to a ship that isn't designed to do what I want, but I'll do what I want with it anyway?" If you want to make the Rokh seem better, brawl with a blaster fit or try kiting other slower battleships like armor Typhoons with Null ammo.
Bruce Bayne
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-05-27 20:22:29 UTC
yes naga. always.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-05-27 20:23:21 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Yet another?

I don't think I've ever seen this topic before, probably because most players are at least vaguely aware of the relative strengths and weaknesses of assault BCs and Battleships.


Quote:
Is the Naga more superior to the Rokh despite being a grade lower?


Oh. You're one of those. Yeah, the Naga isn't a "grade lower" than a Rokh. It's just a different class of ship. You don't "level up" from a Moa to a Naga to a Rokh. That's not how Eve works.

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#11 - 2014-05-27 20:43:45 UTC
Naga Doctrine.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2014-05-27 20:44:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Yet another?

I don't think I've ever seen this topic before, probably because most players are at least vaguely aware of the relative strengths and weaknesses of assault BCs and Battleships.
Hey! I was going to say that.
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Miles Bright wrote:
Is the Naga more superior to the Rokh despite being a grade lower?
No and no, in that order.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-05-27 20:48:38 UTC
Take a naga fleet into incursions and tell me how it goes. Hint. The rokh is actually good there.

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Miles Bright
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-05-27 21:28:09 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:

Oh. You're one of those. Yeah, the Naga isn't a "grade lower" than a Rokh. It's just a different class of ship. You don't "level up" from a Moa to a Naga to a Rokh. That's not how Eve works..


I guess my terminology was way off here.
I do not consider the Naga to be like a stepping stone within the game to get larger ships.

I meant it as the Naga is somewhat like a Pocket Battleship of WW2
Its a class lower or a whatever floats your boat -.-

I was trying to ask that the Rokh seems to be less effective than the Naga in its Offensive capabilities.
Despite the fact they should "technically" be the same.

I know the Rokh is better at "tanking" and I couldn't care less about that, I know that already.
I simply wanted to compare there Offensive capabilities against each other.

As I tried to explain in the OP I struggled to fit all 8 railguns onto the Rokh, where as the smaller Naga could easily fit all 8 without a power manager. and (all defence aside) the Naga seems to fair better than the Rokh when they should be the same in theory.

Make sense?
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-05-27 21:35:31 UTC
Can't stop the Rokh. A spray bottle can stop the origami spaceship that is the Naga.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
WASPY69
Xerum.
#16 - 2014-05-27 21:39:12 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
You don't "level up" from a Moa to a Naga to a Rokh. That's not how Eve works.
For some reason I envisioned a Moa evolving into a Naga pokemon style. I need to get some sleep.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-05-27 21:41:29 UTC
Miles Bright wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:

Oh. You're one of those. Yeah, the Naga isn't a "grade lower" than a Rokh. It's just a different class of ship. You don't "level up" from a Moa to a Naga to a Rokh. That's not how Eve works..


I guess my terminology was way off here.
I do not consider the Naga to be like a stepping stone within the game to get larger ships.

I meant it as the Naga is somewhat like a Pocket Battleship of WW2
Its a class lower or a whatever floats your boat -.-

I was trying to ask that the Rokh seems to be less effective than the Naga in its Offensive capabilities.
Despite the fact they should "technically" be the same.

I know the Rokh is better at "tanking" and I couldn't care less about that, I know that already.
I simply wanted to compare there Offensive capabilities against each other.

As I tried to explain in the OP I struggled to fit all 8 railguns onto the Rokh, where as the smaller Naga could easily fit all 8 without a power manager. and (all defence aside) the Naga seems to fair better than the Rokh when they should be the same in theory.

Make sense?

let's get pointillistic, and look at the issue from a fair distance:

Battlecruiser is for hit and run.
Battleship is main battle pounder.


From that, expand or specify. Whatever need you have will be satisfied by your new-found knowledge.


That said, Naga is cool, and Rohk is a big ass rock or a cinderblock and you can't stop it \o\

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#18 - 2014-05-27 21:52:04 UTC
Also, what the hell are you doing to the poor Rokh if you can't get a full rack of 425s on it?! Ugh
NIFTYGetAtMe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-05-27 22:07:56 UTC  |  Edited by: NIFTYGetAtMe
Tippia wrote:
Also, what the hell are you doing to the poor Rokh if you can't get a full rack of 425s on it?! Ugh

Trying to make it a machariel-esque rail kiter that can hold range on cruisers and battlecruisers and lock frigates in ~5 seconds.
Shad0wsFury
Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
Seventh Sanctum.
#20 - 2014-05-27 22:10:20 UTC
Offensively there is little difference between the Rokh and the Naga. You have discovered the purpose of the Tier 3 Battlecruisers: They are designed to hit just (or nearly just) as hard as a battleship, but were designed to be very weak on tank. Even compared to the other BCs, the tier 3s are weak on tank.

If you're gonna sit there and sperge that you "don't want to hear" that a BS can tank better, then what are we here to discuss? You know what the difference in purpose between a Rokh and a Naga are. So why make this thread?
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