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[AFK Cloaking Solutions] Class System Scanner as Active Mod

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Kaerakh
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#41 - 2014-05-27 20:34:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaerakh
Bland Inquisitor wrote:
*OP addressing a controversial issue that clearly no one ever ever in the whole wided worldeded ever thought of before.*



An AFK cloaker has never killed a player. Therefore it's not a problem.

HTFU

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Willmahh wrote:
Eliminate local in NULL and you:

1. negate afk cloaking
2. negate tinfoil-hat ratters
3. create better SOV/NULL metagame
4. make sov holders actually post guards in their systems
5. negate threads like this

This^ (4 is naive, but everything else is true)

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Willmahh
#42 - 2014-05-27 20:37:36 UTC
Kaerakh wrote:
Bland Inquisitor wrote:
*OP addressing a controversial issue that clearly no one ever ever in the whole wided worldeded ever thought of before.*



An AFK cloaker has never killed a player. Therefore it's not a problem.

HTFU

Edit:
Willmahh wrote:
Eliminate local in NULL and you:

1. negate afk cloaking
2. negate tinfoil-hat ratters
3. create better SOV/NULL metagame
4. make sov holders actually post guards in their systems
5. negate threads like this

This^ (4 is naive, but everything else is true)


i always include a little naive in every good idea. its for balance.
Zorrkinae vonHui
Gnostics of the Sense of Life
#43 - 2014-05-27 20:39:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Zorrkinae vonHui
Bland Inquisitor wrote:
Any AFK action that can positively or negatively impact other players should be removed from the game and prevented at all costs. I believe CCP agrees with this, they already made tweaks to OGB, now they need to fix AFK cloaking.

Side note, removing Local would be a good move too.


this sounds awefully wrong dude!
be sure that no afk-cloaker ever has killed any of your friends ;D
and removing local is just dumb^^ why should there not be an openforallchannel?
I really don´t fancy with the idea to open an privatchat/newchannel for daily chatting with my surroundings^^
maybe they should remove combatprobes aswell cuz it´s to easy to find you?

I´d recommend to overthink your suggestions once again^^

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Bland Inquisitor
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2014-05-27 20:55:05 UTC
Zorrkinae vonHui wrote:

and removing local is just dumb^^ why should there not be an openforallchannel?
I really don´t fancy with the idea to open an privatchat/newchannel for daily chatting with my surroundings^^
maybe they should remove combatprobes aswell cuz it´s to easy to find you?

I´d recommend to overthink your suggestions once again^^


Local was never intended as an instant intel channel. Note that regional chat exists but isnt used, Local provides you with an updated list of not only who is around but their standings to you. Intel on hostile entities based on chat channels is less than ideal for a game as advanced as EvE online.

Nobody that wants local removed is asking so because they dislike the chat channel, How it works in W-Space is a step in the right direction in regards to local, however its a poor game mechanic. Having to actually scan and find players would drastically improve gameplay.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2014-05-27 21:02:49 UTC
Bland Inquisitor wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Bland Inquisitor wrote:


Just a single cloaked neut in Sov space system will deny that entire system from potentially 100's of pilots.



If 100s of pilots are afraid of one AFK guy, the only thing that is going to solve their problem is some nice low wholesale pricing on extra-absorbent Huggies.


It takes 3 minutes for a ratting carrier to be killed by blops hotdrop. That is not enough time for a defense fleet to form, warp in and save the carrier. Even if they could, your talking about having to have an active defense fleet to combat and AFK threat. Why should somoene who isnt at his keyboard have so much power as to have 100 players be ready to counter a potential threat.

In reality, AFK cloaking is imbalanced.

You, can't even argue that if your aligned you can warp before being tackled from a deloaker, because the simple, yet effective tactic of moving infront of and bumping a target prior to tackling it.

I'm all for risk and reward, this is all reward and no risk for the cloaker.


have you considered having cloaky eyes in the systems they will drop from?
We cloaky camp some people and they stay docked all day.
They tried doing it to us and we continue ratting as if they weren't there. If we need to know we log on cloaky eyes in their briding systems and have a look see. If we think they are going to hotdrop we form a counter drop fleet.
ratting is too safe in null already. cloaky hot drops are the only thing that provides any risk for the average nullbear and this is somehow broken in favour of the hunters?

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Kaerakh
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#46 - 2014-05-27 21:11:34 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:


have you considered having cloaky eyes in the systems they will drop from?
We cloaky camp some people and they stay docked all day.
They tried doing it to us and we continue ratting as if they weren't there. If we need to know we log on cloaky eyes in their briding systems and have a look see. If we think they are going to hotdrop we form a counter drop fleet.
ratting is too safe in null already. cloaky hot drops are the only thing that provides any risk for the average nullbear and this is somehow broken in favour of the hunters?


Wow, this guy is suggesting a proactive solution, imagine that. You'd think from all these AFK cloaking threads there was nothing they could do. Oh, that's right there's a whole lot of things they can do. They just won't lift a finger to save themselves.

Too bad nullbears will never consider it. They want nullsec to be highsec. Pure and simple, and wholly incompatible with how nullsec is intended to work.

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Gigan Amilupar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2014-05-27 21:19:39 UTC
Mag's
Azn Empire
#48 - 2014-05-27 21:20:30 UTC
Bland Inquisitor wrote:
Bland

Indeed.

Reported for redundancy and/or reopened thread.

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Kaerakh
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#49 - 2014-05-27 21:39:16 UTC
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#50 - 2014-05-27 21:45:05 UTC
Mmm. Yet more solutions to something that's not a problem.
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#51 - 2014-05-27 21:47:27 UTC
I just want to say that I, deep in my soul, truly feel a bit of sympathy for the people I have "cloaky camped" (finished cooking dinner in their system, or watched an episode of some demented anime, or whatever. BTW thanks to the guys from the Alliance in Syndicate whose name I can't remember for a spot on the couch while I watched the fanfest livestream, and I'm not including you in this criticism.).

Well, I would.... If they weren't so incapable that they couldn't check my Bio and my Corp to see that there was no chance of me hot-dropping them.

Seriously.... You're that bad at using this as an excuse....

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Marsha Mallow
#52 - 2014-05-27 22:19:36 UTC
Chunk, have a look here and you'll see why afk cloaky proposals don't really generate constructive feedback. Or here for removing local (take note of the thread title). It's been done to death, you'll probably see your own ideas somewhere on those lists in another form.

Proposals like this tend to get locked if you didn't bother to search for an existing thread. If you let it spiral into circular arguments over whether it's a legitimate complaint, you may as well just put an advert up inviting more afk cloakers to your space.

btw Roll

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Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Willmahh
#53 - 2014-05-27 22:42:24 UTC
for the record...when i say remove local, i mean make it like WH space. Don't show people unless they talk.
Kaerakh
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#54 - 2014-05-27 22:43:34 UTC
Willmahh wrote:
for the record...when i say remove local, i mean make it like WH space. Don't show people unless they talk.


People commonly refer to that as delayed mode I believe.

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ISD Ezwal
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ISD Alliance
#55 - 2014-05-27 23:13:47 UTC
While you proposal might have some merits, it is also a proposal that has been discussed at length many times before.

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