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Hellen Kurvora
HC - Degc
#1 - 2011-12-04 16:00:39 UTC
People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.

Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.

You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.

To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up.
T' Elk
Strategically Bad
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2011-12-04 16:04:40 UTC
Last time I checked, lowsec has the same ore as highsec. Do you mean nullsec, where the rare ores are?

~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ I come back after 2 years to THIS? ~Now 4 years apparently
Hellen Kurvora
HC - Degc
#3 - 2011-12-04 16:07:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Hellen Kurvora
T' Elk wrote:
Last time I checked, lowsec has the same ore as highsec. Do you mean nullsec, where the rare ores are?

Yes, but low sec also has a higher quantity of the more expensive ore types. You can also find some semi rare ore types in .1 and .2. Not to mention higher quality exploration belts that need to be scanned down.
Arjola Elongur
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-12-04 16:09:38 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.

Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.

You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.

To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up.


Poor pirates, forced to live off gate camping because the carebear miners refuse to line up in low sec belts.
You have my sympathy!
Hellen Kurvora
HC - Degc
#5 - 2011-12-04 16:11:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Hellen Kurvora
Arjola Elongur wrote:
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.

Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.

You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.

To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up.


Poor pirates, forced to live off gate camping because the carebear miners refuse to line up in low sec belts.
You have my sympathy!


Well, we are making more isk out here at the gate then the guys complaining in high sec and getting suicide ganked. No probs here. Just would be more fun with some more variety and people with some balls to fight.
bornaa
GRiD.
#6 - 2011-12-04 16:12:22 UTC  |  Edited by: bornaa
somewhere around GD is thread why carebears WILL NOT EVER, WHAT EVER YOU DO, leave hi-sec.
I caps that words because something like that was in caps in that thread.
It have some good points.
[Yes, I'm an Amateur](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRa-69uBmIw&feature=relmfu)
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#7 - 2011-12-04 16:15:17 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.

Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.

You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.

To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up.


Every miner in EVE mined in low sec. Once. Then they went back to high sec, mined in an Osprey, bought another Ret and never went back to low sec with it. Some ninja mining in a noob ship to get the 2 hrs worth of Jaspet while you and your grifer buddies aren't online but they do that for thier own production, not ISK.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Hellen Kurvora
HC - Degc
#8 - 2011-12-04 16:23:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Hellen Kurvora
Ioci wrote:
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.

Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.

You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.

To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up.


Every miner in EVE mined in low sec. Once. Then they went back to high sec, mined in an Osprey, bought another Ret and never went back to low sec with it. Some ninja mining in a noob ship to get the 2 hrs worth of Jaspet while you and your grifer buddies aren't online but they do that for thier own production, not ISK.


Well there is potential for making some decent isk faster than you can in high sec, in low sec. Like I said, higher quantity of the more rare ore types. It is just not a play style you can "afk mine" obviously, but what fun is that?

People just don't like the risk involved and don't feel like be prepared for it. People complain that mining is boring. That is because mining in high sec has no risk! Of course it's boring! And less profitable in the long run. Just need to learn how to survive in a pvp environment. Mine aligned, keep watch on local, and use the directional scanner. It is a more thrilling and profitable mining experience.

P.S. Piracy is not griefing in Eve. This is a harsh PVP game and CCP does not try to hide that from new comers because that is how it is designed.
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-12-04 16:40:06 UTC
YES! I was just thinking, "Oh god, we need another thread about suicide ganking soon! We are soon to drop below quotient on dead, beaten horses!" And then came you OP, and then came you.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#10 - 2011-12-04 16:50:44 UTC
Another troll thread Straight

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#11 - 2011-12-04 16:51:32 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Ioci wrote:
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.

Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.

You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.

To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up.


Every miner in EVE mined in low sec. Once. Then they went back to high sec, mined in an Osprey, bought another Ret and never went back to low sec with it. Some ninja mining in a noob ship to get the 2 hrs worth of Jaspet while you and your grifer buddies aren't online but they do that for thier own production, not ISK.


Well there is potential for making some decent isk faster than you can in high sec, in low sec. Like I said, higher quantity of the more rare ore types. It is just not a play style you can "afk mine" obviously, but what fun is that?

People just don't like the risk involved and don't feel like be prepared for it. People complain that mining is boring. That is because mining in high sec has no risk! Of course it's boring! And less profitable in the long run. Just need to learn how to survive in a pvp environment. Mine aligned, keep watch on local, and use the directional scanner. It is a more thrilling and profitable mining experience.

P.S. Piracy is not griefing in Eve. This is a harsh PVP game and CCP does not try to hide that from new comers because that is how it is designed.


I agree, piracy is not griefing and it's a fair playstyle even if its one I don't find entertaining.

Here is the thing with mining outside high sec. I've done both null and high sec minging and I can tell you that if people start mining in low sec, you won't see in increase in opportunity for the pirates. If high sec miners do start running Ops in low sec it will mean you the pirate will be docked up because thier PvP squads will melt you like butter if you don't and the Op will clean the belts in around 2 hrs and the whole fleet will move back to high sec to proc and distribute the minerals. They will use Black Ops to ferry the ore, they won't hit high traffic pipe systems and they won't be fat and easy pickings.

If it became trendy, you might get the odd "dumb nub" solo miner but if done right, the trouble it would inflict on low sec pirates would outweigh the random dumb nub solo kill. Considering how many low sec systems there are that have no traffic, finding these Ops would be more work than most pirates are willing to forward. Its risk/ reward but it's cost/ benefit too and cost benefit works for and against everyone in EVE, no matter what your career choice is.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Hainnz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-12-04 16:57:36 UTC
Okay, okay! You have convinced me! I'll go mine in low-sec. Very generous of you to let us all in on the secret. I'd have been tempted to keep all of that sweet, sweet low-sec mining ISK for myself... Of course, I'm ashamed to say, that I can be a bit selfish at times. We can't all be as kindhearted and altruistic as you.

But first, how about YOU go mine in low sec for a couple of weeks and tell us how that worked out for you? You know, just to make sure...
Lord Okinaba
Aliastra
#13 - 2011-12-04 16:59:35 UTC
Make enough ISK in Empire. No need to leave.
Hellen Kurvora
HC - Degc
#14 - 2011-12-04 17:07:19 UTC
Hainnz wrote:
Okay, okay! You have convinced me! I'll go mine in low-sec. Very generous of you to let us all in on the secret. I'd have been tempted to keep all of that sweet, sweet low-sec mining ISK for myself... Of course, I'm ashamed to say, that I can be a bit selfish at times. We can't all be as kindhearted and altruistic as you.

But first, how about YOU go mine in low sec for a couple of weeks and tell us how that worked out for you? You know, just to make sure...

Are you arguing that the isk is not better or that you are afraid of getting ganked? I am confused.
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-12-04 17:13:14 UTC
You know what whinning is REALLY old? Null sec pilots generating apge after page complaining that high sec doesn't play EVE the way they feel it should be played. That's gotten really old. Waaaah! You should stop mining! Waaah! You should move to null sec! Waaaah! You should admire my amazing ship skills! LOVE ME!

Whatever.
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution
#16 - 2011-12-04 17:15:02 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.

Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.

You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.

To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up.


People in high sec aren't care bears. People in High Sec swap cans and blow up miners all the time by stealing their cargo. They pvp each other all the time.

When will you low sec people realize why people stay in Empire?

All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players.
Le Sabre
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-12-04 17:15:31 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:

Well, we are making more isk out here at the gate then the guys complaining in high sec and getting suicide ganked. No probs here. Just would be more fun with some more variety and people with some balls to fight.


If you want people with 'balls to fight' to come to low sec, then I don't think shouting at highsec miners will achieve anything. You need to shout at the highsec war dec guys who actually do enjoy fighting and get them to come to you.
Hellen Kurvora
HC - Degc
#18 - 2011-12-04 17:18:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Hellen Kurvora
Le Sabre wrote:
Hellen Kurvora wrote:

Well, we are making more isk out here at the gate then the guys complaining in high sec and getting suicide ganked. No probs here. Just would be more fun with some more variety and people with some balls to fight.


If you want people with 'balls to fight' to come to low sec, then I don't think shouting at highsec miners will achieve anything. You need to shout at the highsec war dec guys who actually do enjoy fighting and get them to come to you.


My more variety comment was more aimed at the miners. Meaning pvp in other places than gates. Which would also bring in pvpers to protect miners in roid belts, which would give me challenging fights.
Hellen Kurvora
HC - Degc
#19 - 2011-12-04 17:19:10 UTC
Titania Hrothgar wrote:
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.

Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.

You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.

To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up.


People in high sec aren't care bears. People in High Sec swap cans and blow up miners all the time by stealing their cargo. They pvp each other all the time.

When will you low sec people realize why people stay in Empire?

I am aware of why. Fear of being blown up.
Russell Casey
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-12-04 17:22:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Russell Casey
People assume suicide ganking happens because nullsec has declared war on highsec to try to force them to do what they want. Mittens and the Little Rascals pop some mackinaws and suddenly nullsec becomes the enemy, like a new Red Scare.

It never occurs to them that anyone would suicide gank because there is literally billions of isk that can be made by doing it. They never look around at all the fat walleted semi-AFK-bears who think they're 100% safe and think, "if I was a pirate, where would I rather be? Nullsec with regional intel-fed blobs and camps; wh space with a logistics pita and snail's pace at getting around, lowsec which is basically the ugly sister of nullsec, or highsec with these guys?
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