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Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2014-05-27 05:48:42 UTC
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:
Epikurus wrote:

A large proportion of our fleet in these occasions tends to be general militia guys who don't have the skills. If they do have the skills they only have one cruiser to lose so aren't able to reship and keep fighting in the mediums. Within our main corps we also have a higher proportion of newer players than you guys causing a similar problem (this can and should have been ameliorated by prior planning and corps having cruisers ready to hand out though.


Yea this was a huge problem in Calmil when I was in it too. I'm just surprised you haven't been able to build up an experienced base of pilots. (not every one leaves like me)

Add in the issues with shield-tanking, and the Caldari weapon split between missiles and gunnery (and the skill point split) and you're asking for a lot of fail cruiser fleets.

Also, logistics-wise, I can see where this is a major problem especially with no hard 'home' systems and militia-wide staging areas.


Don't get me wrong - there is an experienced base of pilots who can fly cruisers well, it's just rather smaller than the base in GalMil, or at least the part of that base that can be brought together at any given time for a system offense/defense operation is (Militia wide coherence is a significant issue here). Unfortunately the general militia guys can't bulk this area out as they can in the destroyer and frigate realms.

On the logistics front, things are much improved and getting better as displayed by the presence of large numbers of most of the right frigs and dessies which were brought into Kehjari at very short notice and made rapid reshipping possible. We'll have to look at putting cruisers into the supply picture as well to at least give the option for the FCs to lose more than one batch if sufficient numbers of trained pilots are present.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2014-05-27 07:05:54 UTC
Epikurus wrote:
wilgotna wrote:

epikurus saying stuff like "omg it wasnt 8 vs 80 it was only 8 vs 40, see we arent that bad!!"



Actually, the point was that whatever the numbers involved, since the two sides were doing completely different things and not actually facing each other with them one can hardly say the one group was 'fighting' the other in any sense in which numbers are meaningful. Any more than the one guy plexing in Nennamaila in an atron is 'fighting' the 20 guys docked up in Nenn station.

well. if you are in the same system and "one guy" attacks while "20 guys just sit docked" it can be said that "1 guys fights 20". It's only choice of those "20" to not fight actively

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#103 - 2014-05-27 07:13:40 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Epikurus wrote:
wilgotna wrote:

epikurus saying stuff like "omg it wasnt 8 vs 80 it was only 8 vs 40, see we arent that bad!!"



Actually, the point was that whatever the numbers involved, since the two sides were doing completely different things and not actually facing each other with them one can hardly say the one group was 'fighting' the other in any sense in which numbers are meaningful. Any more than the one guy plexing in Nennamaila in an atron is 'fighting' the 20 guys docked up in Nenn station.

well. if you are in the same system and "one guy" attacks while "20 guys just sit docked" it can be said that "1 guys fights 20". It's only choice of those "20" to not fight actively



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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#104 - 2014-05-27 07:20:09 UTC
Epikurus wrote:
. If they do have the skills they only have one cruiser to lose so aren't able to reship and keep fighting in the mediums.


You have hit the real issue with that sentence.
Ill expand on that:

It is not the fault of the new players. No point blaming it on 'we have more newbs'

Newbs will react slower to target calls - but as long as they follow instructions they are just as good as an experienced player in bigger fights. They can usually fly griffins just fine which are great force multipliers.

If older players only have one cruiser - they are useless. It is their CEOs job to kick their arse and tell them to get their **** together.

That said:
Leadership should have many billions of isk of ships and the fittings ready to roll at all times in any system you believe is worth defending. (Not random stuff - thought out doctrines)

Ships should be available for handout, trade or on Corp/Alliance contract at cost.
Don't use public contracts or the Market window ever if defending a system. The frogs will buy it and drop it back for sale at a higher price.

If someone says 'I cant fly that with t2 guns' or 'I have Caldari Cruiser at lev II' or is just a total derptard - they should be put in a disposable griffin, tackle frig or Blackbird and be given the task of harassing the enemy logi.

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wilgotna
Perkone
Caldari State
#105 - 2014-05-27 07:59:39 UTC
we can keep beating around the bush or we can accept that the real problem is that caldari pilots are, on average, not as good at eve as gallente pilots

if i just look at the main gallente dudes, i see a list of people who i would not want to mess with if i were out soloing

id see...
lexi, elijah, zoe, yuri, deen, 1st, xgal and id go to the next damn system lol

when i see a caldari dude im thinking, omg here comes a free killmail

when i see khan or (insert any caldari fc here) take out a fleet, i think omg here comes a ton of free killmails

the average gallente pilot is a battle hardened badass killing machine (by FW standards)

the average caldari pilot is like a kid who wears the shoes with the velcro on it because they dont know how to tie laces
RonPaul Rox
Prime Directive.
United Caldari Space Command.
#106 - 2014-05-27 08:34:33 UTC
wilgotna wrote:
we can keep beating around the bush or we can accept that the real problem is that caldari pilots are, on average, not as good at eve as gallente pilots

if i just look at the main gallente dudes, i see a list of people who i would not want to mess with if i were out soloing

id see...
lexi, elijah, zoe, yuri, deen, 1st, xgal and id go to the next damn system lol

when i see a caldari dude im thinking, omg here comes a free killmail

when i see khan or (insert any caldari fc here) take out a fleet, i think omg here comes a ton of free killmails

the average gallente pilot is a battle hardened badass killing machine (by FW standards)

the average caldari pilot is like a kid who wears the shoes with the velcro on it because they dont know how to tie laces


your previous terrible posts not-withstanding, that was funny, have an upvote

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Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2014-05-27 11:31:55 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:


That said:
Leadership should have many billions of isk of ships and the fittings ready to roll at all times in any system you believe is worth defending. (Not random stuff - thought out doctrines)




One problem here is, leadership basically has to pay for that out of their own pockets as factional warfare corps have neither taxable income nor passive income like for example 0sec corps have. Lets hope Funky has success with his plan to make CCP add LP tax.

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#108 - 2014-05-27 11:36:37 UTC
wilgotna wrote:
we can keep beating around the bush or we can accept that the real problem is that caldari pilots are, on average, not as good at eve as gallente pilots

if i just look at the main gallente dudes, i see a list of people who i would not want to mess with if i were out soloing

id see...
lexi, elijah, zoe, yuri, deen, 1st, xgal and id go to the next damn system lol

when i see a caldari dude im thinking, omg here comes a free killmail

when i see khan or (insert any caldari fc here) take out a fleet, i think omg here comes a ton of free killmails

the average gallente pilot is a battle hardened badass killing machine (by FW standards)

the average caldari pilot is like a kid who wears the shoes with the velcro on it because they dont know how to tie laces


Welcome to the circlejerk!
Yun Kuai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2014-05-27 13:31:05 UTC
10MN AB Breacher....not say what it counters but I want things to be fun in the next system fights. 3.6km/s OH with a 30 sig radius (assume boost) means you can get inside a novice and go to work....

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Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#110 - 2014-05-27 13:41:12 UTC
Yun Kuai wrote:
10MN AB Breacher....not say what it counters but I want things to be fun in the next system fights. 3.6km/s OH with a 30 sig radius (assume boost) means you can get inside a novice and go to work....


damn it Yun!

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The caldari did a better job reshipping in Kehjari and contesting plexes than they have in any other offensive/defensive system push I have ever taken part in.

They aren't that far off from being able to stop us whenever we want to take a system (or force us to change doctrines again). Give em time and we'll see if this batch falls apart like previous groups or if they climb that next rung.

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#111 - 2014-05-27 13:41:31 UTC
To be fair, I think what wilgotna was trying to point out is that the Gallente Militia isn't adequately challenged, and should therefore have a civil war to make themselves even better.

Is that the whole gist of it wilgotna?
wilgotna
Perkone
Caldari State
#112 - 2014-05-27 14:21:03 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
To be fair, I think what wilgotna was trying to point out is that the Gallente Militia isn't adequately challenged, and should therefore have a civil war to make themselves even better.

Is that the whole gist of it wilgotna?


yes and no

gallente militia isnt adequately challenged

and should therefore have a civil war to MAKE THE WARZONE INTERESTING AGAIN

as of right now calmil is basically a fleshlight made of pixels

but... what if justk joined calmil... what if justk AND blackfox joined calmil... all of a sudden things are crazy, interesting, worth logging in for, worth joining FW for, worth getting excited for.
Yun Kuai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2014-05-27 14:31:56 UTC
wilgotna wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
To be fair, I think what wilgotna was trying to point out is that the Gallente Militia isn't adequately challenged, and should therefore have a civil war to make themselves even better.

Is that the whole gist of it wilgotna?


yes and no

gallente militia isnt adequately challenged

and should therefore have a civil war to MAKE THE WARZONE INTERESTING AGAIN

as of right now calmil is basically a fleshlight made of pixels

but... what if justk joined calmil... what if justk AND blackfox joined calmil... all of a sudden things are crazy, interesting, worth logging in for, worth joining FW for, worth getting excited for.





What if wilgotna joined calmil and stirred the masses and then made FW interesting without upsetting the status quo of Galmil? InterestingIdea

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Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#114 - 2014-05-27 14:45:47 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
The caldari did a better job reshipping in Kehjari and contesting plexes than they have in any other offensive/defensive system push I have ever taken part in.

They aren't that far off from being able to stop us whenever we want to take a system (or force us to change doctrines again). Give em time and we'll see if this batch falls apart like previous groups or if they climb that next rung.

Indeed - props for getting your logistics more in line, that made a big difference on Saturday. Interdicting the Eha - Kehj route made things tough for a bit until you lost the overwhelming numbers advantage. We're rather flattered that you copied our Kestrel and Corm doctrines - you forced us to go old school on Sunday.

Also, props to Templis for brick walling us on Monday. Most of us were burnt out from the massive effort it took to flip Kehjari, and you definitely took advantage. Good work on keeping eyes on our reships and getting your folks in and out of plexes quickly.

Learned from the best, I expect.

Which is good - forces us to step up our game, which is exactly what we all want, right?

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#115 - 2014-05-27 14:46:35 UTC
Yun Kuai wrote:
What if wilgotna joined calmil and stirred the masses and then made FW interesting without upsetting the status quo of Galmil? InterestingIdea

We'd call him Khan?

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#116 - 2014-05-27 15:47:12 UTC
wilgotna wrote:

but... what if justk joined calmil... what if justk AND blackfox joined calmil... all of a sudden things are crazy, interesting, worth logging in for, worth joining FW for, worth getting excited for.
Sorry, against our charter. Rule No. 1 in Eve: Know thyself. Solid foundation vs feet of clay and all that stuff.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#117 - 2014-05-27 19:29:25 UTC
wilgotna wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
To be fair, I think what wilgotna was trying to point out is that the Gallente Militia isn't adequately challenged, and should therefore have a civil war to make themselves even better.

Is that the whole gist of it wilgotna?


yes and no

gallente militia isnt adequately challenged

and should therefore have a civil war to MAKE THE WARZONE INTERESTING AGAIN

as of right now calmil is basically a fleshlight made of pixels

but... what if justk joined calmil... what if justk AND blackfox joined calmil... all of a sudden things are crazy, interesting, worth logging in for, worth joining FW for, worth getting excited for.




We (all FW PvPers) make the warzone interesting every day by logging in and fighting. Doesn't matter if they are WTs, Pirates, or Neutrals. We don't discriminate. What have you done? Nothing, from looking at your killboard.

Someone is butthurt. Why? Who knows, who cares? Most likely... no one.
wilgotna
Perkone
Caldari State
#118 - 2014-05-27 20:28:47 UTC  |  Edited by: wilgotna
Yun Kuai wrote:
What if wilgotna joined calmil and stirred the masses and then made FW interesting without upsetting the status quo of Galmil? InterestingIdea

yun i wont join calmil for the exact reason that i keep talking about - there is no established entity in calmil worth fighting for/with

wilgotna vs the entire galmil does not sound like good fight

Estella Osoka wrote:
We (all FW PvPers) make the warzone interesting every day by logging in and fighting. Doesn't matter if they are WTs, Pirates, or Neutrals. We don't discriminate. What have you done? Nothing, from looking at your killboard.

Someone is butthurt. Why? Who knows, who cares? Most likely... no one.

i honestly dont understand ridiculously worthless responses like this

of course i dont do anything in the warzone recently, because its dead and boring

thats why im here on these forums full of you people who think that saying "butthurt and mad" is an acceptable response to someone's legitimate concerns - as if telling me that im mad is somehow refuting my points... (kids these days)

i just want a good reason to rejoin FW - the aspect of the game that made me fall in love with eve
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#119 - 2014-05-27 21:04:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
wilgotna wrote:
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


Calm down.

wilgotna wrote:
whhAAAA


Shh.

Im sorry most dont share your concerns. However, if you have 100 spare alts you dont mind joining up to one of the bigger corps each with excellent caldari standings then at least your proposal would be in the realms of possibility and not just sperg.
wilgotna
Perkone
Caldari State
#120 - 2014-05-27 21:20:17 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
i like to put ketchup on my hotpockets


what? crosi lets keep this on topic please