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Went to check Custom Ship Skins - ended up dissapointed [SOLVED]

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War StalkeR
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-05-27 01:55:44 UTC  |  Edited by: War StalkeR
Some time ago, just to check Custom Ship Skins feature planned to be released in the Kronos update, I've installed Singularity EVE Online client and after seeing THAT, I've became really disappointed.

So, let's begin what I've hoped to see. I hoped to see, that player will have complete control over ship's skin customization, similar to Corporation Icon Design feature:
• 3 different layers of skin overlay to select from available pool of overlays.
• Ability to chose any color from palette for every skin separately.
• Ability to define any opacity value for every skin separately.

Such feature will allow players more immersive gameplay. Just try to imagine ships of entire alliance has same ship skins. I either won't mind spend on such ship customization any amount of Aurum.

When I eventually got to see current Ship Skins Customization feature, there were no end for my disappointment. No, seriously. For such lousy ships skins I won't pay even 0.01 ISK, not just Aurum. Because what players want to see on ships are THEIR ship skins, created and based on their wild imagination, and not on somebody else's.

I've didn't seen such failure of a feature that is about to be implemented for a while. Once again CCP you've impressed me, so I take off my hat before you.

CCP, I suggest you to either remove planned Ship Skins Customization feature or design and implement it as it should be and as other players asked it a long time ago to be. Personally, for current ship skins I won't even bother moving my finger, not just paying 0.01 ISK for them.
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-05-27 01:57:00 UTC
it's not out yet you sperglord.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.

War StalkeR
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-05-27 02:02:44 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
it's not out yet you sperglord.
It is out at the Singularity.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-05-27 02:06:05 UTC
My opinion is that ship skins should have character creator rules:
-Allow some skins for free (a default set)
-Allow color changes
-Sell more skins on NeX
-Sell new structures on NeX (spoiler, bat wings, etc.)
-Sell different (read: cooler) looking hulls for same ship on NeX

We define ourselves by our ships. The ship peacocking PVP possibilities are huge..

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#5 - 2014-05-27 02:07:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
War StalkeR wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:
it's not out yet you sperglord.
It is out at the Singularity.


No, it is not. That's a replacement for the NeX store (a separate project), which is currently hosting the trial run ship skins.

They have not finished the actual ship customization feature at all. They have only barely started, if at all. Right now they're busy working internally to figure out the best method for designing and delivering the end result. It's not even in production yet. It's still in an early design phase. What you see for sale now is actually a market test to see how many people will actually buy ship skins, how many will fly them in PvP, and what people are willing to pay.

... because guess what? If nobody buys them now, why bother wasting developer resources making an extensive system for it later? If you have a problem with AUR being used to buy ship skins, don't buy those ones. Buy the Police Comet instead to show your support for LP skins. If you call for a boycott of the entire feature based on your half baked information, you're only putting the entire concept at risk.

Also, they never said the full ship customization feature would be out in Kronos. Never. Not once. They said new skins will be out... but that is all.

So, on behalf of everyone who wants customizable ship skins... sit down and shut the **** up. You're only screwing **** up by posting.

Katrina Oniseki

War StalkeR
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-05-27 02:29:35 UTC  |  Edited by: War StalkeR
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Also, they never said the full ship customization feature would be out in Kronos. Never. Not once. They said new skins will be out... but that is all.
If this feature is intended to be similar to what I see now, they better to drop it off and focus on other things.

Katrina Oniseki wrote:
So, on behalf of everyone who wants customizable ship skins... sit down and shut the **** up. You're only screwing **** up by posting.
Don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go.
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#7 - 2014-05-27 02:48:38 UTC
War StalkeR wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Also, they never said the full ship customization feature would be out in Kronos. Never. Not once. They said new skins will be out... but that is all.
If this feature is intended to be similar to what I see now, they better to drop it off and focus on other things.

Katrina Oniseki wrote:
So, on behalf of everyone who wants customizable ship skins... sit down and shut the **** up. You're only screwing **** up by posting.
Don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go.

They previewed what they had in mind for ship customization at fanfest I believe (a teaser of sorts) it wasn't buy a preset skin and be done with it, it was about as close to customizable as you could get, custom patterns, tones/colors, positioning of patterns, logos, etc. etc. So please do exactly what Katrina said, sit down and shutup until you have all your facts straight.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#8 - 2014-05-27 02:51:34 UTC
War StalkeR wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:
it's not out yet you sperglord.
It is out at the Singularity.

No, the full final feature that will be available at some unknown point in the future is not being released with Kronos.

Go back and read the original devblog and go and look at the FanFest video that has some early concept interface for player made customization.

There is still a long way to go in building that feature, but I'm at least glad they've started taking steps.
War StalkeR
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-05-27 03:33:11 UTC
Dun'Gal wrote:
They previewed what they had in mind for ship customization at fanfest I believe (a teaser of sorts) it wasn't buy a preset skin and be done with it, it was about as close to customizable as you could get, custom patterns, tones/colors, positioning of patterns, logos, etc. etc. So please do exactly what Katrina said, sit down and shutup until you have all your facts straight.
Again, don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go. This is the reason exactly why I wrote "either remove planned Ship Skins Customization feature or design and implement it as it should be" - because if CCP's intention to provide normal customization some time in the future - there are no problems with that at all. Read between the lines.

Scipio Artelius wrote:
look at the FanFest video that has some early concept interface for player made customization.
Can you please provide link to this video?
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#10 - 2014-05-27 03:58:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Quote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
look at the FanFest video that has some early concept interface for player made customization.
Can you please provide link to this video?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiKGaXuYxiU&feature=player_detailpage#t=1750
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#11 - 2014-05-27 04:05:58 UTC
War, you fail at understanding what we are doing and what CCP is doing.
They have released a quick trial to see how popular different ship skins actually are. Everyone 'wants' them, but how many are prepared to pay for them and in what form are they prepared to pay? These are important metrics CCP needs information on.

For example, Alliance skins. These may use the builder CCP showed, but then you submit your final product for approval (To ensure it doesn't overlap too closely with another alliance skin or an NPC skin). And like alliance logo's it could cost real money, maybe plex, maybe Aur. Either to set them up as a one off cost, or per unit?
To get NPC corp skins they may be in the LP store, or the Aur store or a mix.
To get certain unique skins (Punketris Pink for example) they could be Aur store.

So before CCP go nuts with hundreds of hours of Dev time and thousands of hours of bug testing by Sisi people, first we need to actually show support for the concept of skins that cost rather than being a totally free addition.
Foxstar Damaskeenus
why did i join this corp
Not Purple Shoot It.
#12 - 2014-05-27 04:06:16 UTC
I think the new skins are awesome. Looking forward to my white thrasher and my pimped out Blood Raider and Gurista's ships.

"[this thread] is a cesspit of trolling and flaming" ISD Buldath

Mana Shian
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-05-27 04:08:07 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Quote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
look at the FanFest video that has some early concept interface for player made customization.
Can you please provide link to this video?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiKGaXuYxiU&feature=player_detailpage#t=1750

Gah, beat me to it.

In any case OP, how do you feel now, seeing that video?
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#14 - 2014-05-27 04:48:34 UTC
War StalkeR wrote:
Again, don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go.


We'll tell you to shut up if we damn well please if you lack justification for the comments you're making or are otherwise uneducated in the forming of your opinions in a matter that is of significance to the community.

The proper thing to do in this case is to accept the new information, take a drop for humility, apologize for the mixup, and to rename the thread title and re-write the first post to "Okay nvm, misunderstanding".

Because leaving your thread here like it is is only going to attract more people like me that need to beat you over the head with how wrong you are because everyone else without half a brain are gonna make an opinion based on yours and that'll start a panic and we dont want that **** getting started over people that dont know what they're talking about in the first place.

The Drake is a Lie

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#15 - 2014-05-27 04:56:53 UTC
Its a progressive thing, the current release is more setting the stage for future improvements on it.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

War StalkeR
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-05-27 07:13:46 UTC
Thanks.

Mana Shian wrote:
In any case OP, how do you feel now, seeing that video?
Taking my words back after seeing such epicness.

Xercodo wrote:
if you lack justification for the comments you're making
I don't lack justification. I've came to Singularity. I've seen stuff there. I wasn't happy with what I've seen. I've came here and expressed my disappointment. And in order to change my point of view you should have provided me with required information and links, like normal people did, without telling me to shut up.

If you fail to understand importance of the actions performed by normal people and everything you can do, is to ask people to shut up, I suggest you to visit this website and maybe it can help you to change your ways of thinking.
Madrax Muvila
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-05-27 07:23:50 UTC
War StalkeR wrote:
I don't lack justification. I've came to Singularity. I've seen stuff there. I wasn't happy with what I've seen. I've came here and expressed my disappointment. And in order to change my point of view you should have provided me with required information and links, like normal people did, without telling me to shut up.

If you fail to understand importance of the actions performed by normal people and everything you can do, is to ask people to shut up, I suggest you to visit this website and maybe it can help you to change your ways of thinking.


You lacked basic communication skills and came and vented on the forums. The other posters just replied in kind and had a go at your seriously (un)miss-informed opinion on what you thought you were getting from 'custom skins'. The key to good communication is to accept that whatever you are trying to express is under YOUR control and if people are not getting the right message then YOU are not expressing it in the right way.

Good that you are taking your words back after realising you didn't have all the information to justify your original rant.

Who needs SP!

http://killingitineve.wordpress.com/

Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#18 - 2014-05-27 07:53:10 UTC
War StalkeR wrote:
I don't lack justification. I've came to Singularity. I've seen stuff there. I wasn't happy with what I've seen. I've came here and expressed my disappointment. And in order to change my point of view you should have provided me with required information and links, like normal people did, without telling me to shut up.

If you fail to understand importance of the actions performed by normal people and everything you can do, is to ask people to shut up, I suggest you to visit this website and maybe it can help you to change your ways of thinking.


Yes you do. You're telling us about a thing that you only know half about. Just because you only saw one side of it on Sisi doesn't mean you're justified to freak out over the lack of a system that's actually currently "not even alpha, barely tech demo". If you had come here with a question to confirm if your fears were true we'd simply say no and link the relevant information. What you have done instead is strongly suggest a course of action based on something you know little about.

I didn't need to provide you with links. People have already done that, that'd be redundant. And I would have hoped you'd seen them before having read my post.

I also am more certainly capable of far more than telling people to shut up. You in particular warranted it. I usually spend the rest of my time here being helpful in the new player section. So much so CCP has thanked me individually for it.

But really at the core of it it's just a massive pet peeve of mine for people to make demands and/or react excessively over something they're ignorant to, good or bad reactions. Admittedly, this could result in a particularly more aggressive response from me; guess what I'm saying is take all that I've said with a grain of salt.

"GUYS WE'RE GETTING 11 FREE GECKOS"
"Sit your ass back down, we have to hit the goals first"

"This implementation of paint is terrible and you should feel terrible"
"What you did there was just tried to literally eat a drawing of a donut and got pissed it didn't have icing and tasted like paper because you saw what looked like a donut and just assumed..."

[Dramatizations, not intended to portray any particular person]

And btw no, that website doesn't change my opinion at all because I hold little value you in yours. Tah-dah!

This is largely attribute to not so much your ignorance, because really very few are ignorant on purpose, but due to your attitude to remain steadfast in not having to change your opinion. Now that you HAVE seen the video though, can you kindly edit the main post of this topic so as to not insight further misguided opinions.

I would like to say though that had I been the first responder to this thread I probably would have A) Asked you to hold your horses in a much more agreeable fashion. B) Linked the video you've already seen by now. C) Informed you to what the overall plan was. D) Not seen how much of a **** you were to people that tried to inform you otherwise.

The Drake is a Lie

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#19 - 2014-05-27 08:03:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Well it's not just for the NeX store, they will be offering them from in-game play at some point. This is just a test as they work out the system.

And on that note, I don't really want to see them invest a lot of time developing some complicated system around it. Really, seems more of just something to keep part of the art team busy while coders work out actually fixing the game. So they could wind up with 100's of skins in time, and not all just done through the nEx store.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#20 - 2014-05-27 08:15:20 UTC
what was that Benjamin Franklin dude said about "empty barrels"?...

oh yeah, they tend to make "the loudest noise"!

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